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#8989 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [colin_l] by stickguy

Jul 03, 2012 (7:23 am)

Replying to: colin_l (Jul 03, 2012 3:45 am)
the couple of times I drove the Subaru CVT it did not bother me. Though I tend to find most ATs annoying to drive anyway. It does the job, and saves on gas, so i can live with that.
 
I will have my wife drive it a bit more before we decide, but I doubt she will ever really notice.
 
Oh, and someone asked, but the manual trans is a 6 speed.
 
and if they CVT operation really bothers you, it comes with paddle shifters to manually control 6 pre-defined ratios (if you would rather have it act like a less-efficient slushbox AT)

#8990 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [stickguy] by bpizzuti

Jul 03, 2012 (8:51 am)

Replying to: stickguy (Jul 03, 2012 7:23 am)
The shifting is a little too crisp to be considered "slushbox" unless it's one of Mazda's. It's very quick. Of course, it also defeats the entire purpose of a CVT.
 
Face it, CVTs are the new slushboxes. Unless someone comes up with a "manual" mode for a CVT that will let you control ratio with a lot more granularity than 6 fake "gears."

#8991 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [bpizzuti] by colin_l

Jul 03, 2012 (9:03 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jul 03, 2012 8:51 am)
CVTs are replacing slushboxes in all lower torque applications and moving upstream. I doubt they will be able to handle a fullsize truck or SUV's torque in the near term, so don't write the slushbox's obituary just yet..

#8992 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [colin_l] by nippononly

Jul 03, 2012 (1:09 pm)

Replying to: colin_l (Jul 03, 2012 9:03 am)
Is Nissan's VQ 3.5 still the most powerful engine to be mated to a CVT? And that one is at 250+ hp right? So CVTs will cover most of the lower-priced market before too much longer.
 
Then automated manuals will cover the upper half, as CVTs are not perceived to be sophisticated enough for the near-lux and luxury set. Did you see all the bad press Infiniti got from every single review I read (had to be at least a half dozen) about the CVT they dropped in that new JX model?
 
I can't believe Honda is gong to a CVT for the Accord - ugh. At least it's gratifying to hear that they will still offer a stick shift with several 4-cyl trims. (and not the V6 coupe? Has anyone actually checked that?)

#8993 of 9932 - by dudleyr

Jul 04, 2012 (9:39 am)

Link to Accord models. Yes there is a V-6 with the MT in the coupe.
 
http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/1062301/13accord_orderinfo.gif

#8994 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [nippononly] by ruking1

Jul 04, 2012 (9:48 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Jul 03, 2012 1:09 pm)
I do not know the actual comparative details, but seemingly the answer to the question is NO !
 
The MB ML 350 BlueTec CDI 3.0 L 455# ft is mated to a 7 speed "hybrid" CVT.

#8995 of 9932 Re: - [bpizzuti] by morin2

Jul 04, 2012 (10:48 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jul 02, 2012 6:48 pm)
My last Dart had manual "3 on the tree". I doubt we'll ever see that again. Or its slant-6.

#8996 of 9932 Re: - [morin2] by bpizzuti

Jul 04, 2012 (11:01 am)

Replying to: morin2 (Jul 04, 2012 10:48 am)
Why, what advantage would a slant 6 have over a 1.4L MultiAir or a 2.0L SkyActiv or any of the other engine choices we're seeing?
 
Sticking a shifter on the tree or wheel, on the other hand, yes I do see an advantage to that. No one makes a car that fits three across in the front anymore...

#8997 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [nippononly] by igozoomzoom

Jul 05, 2012 (11:39 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Jul 03, 2012 1:09 pm)
"I can't believe Honda is gong to a CVT for the Accord - ugh. At least it's gratifying to hear that they will still offer a stick shift with several 4-cyl trims. (and not the V6 coupe? Has anyone actually checked that?)"
 
That really sucks! Add it to the list with the Nissan Altima, Subaru Legacy and Suzuki Kizashi...cars that I wouldn't touch with 10-ft pole! Although I prefer a manual, I would rather have a conventional A/T anyday over a freakin' CVT!!!
 
I used to travel a lot for my job and rented a car at least three weeks out of each month. After a few times behind the wheel of the Sentra, Altima and Versa with CVTs, I refused to rent another Nissan. From that point on, I told the rental agencies that I wouldn't do business with them if they couldn't guarantee me something OTHER than a Chrysler/Dodge or Nissan! You know something is VERY WRONG in a world where I would breathe a sigh of relief when they handed me the key to a Mitsubishi Galant or Chevy Impala...

#8998 of 9932 Re: Elantra GT saving the manuals? [igozoomzoom] by ruking1

Jul 05, 2012 (12:40 pm)

Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jul 05, 2012 11:39 am)
Evidently you are not in a minority.
 
CVT's, for whatever reasons are not being well received. I have heard some folks saying they dislike the so called "rubber band effect". I am guessing that is a big reason why MB ML 350 BlueTec has a so called "hybrid" A/T "CVT" 7 speed. For whatever reasons, they do not go into any "competitive marketing and sales" description. Indeed it is buried in the references of the fact that it is a hybrid A/T CVT.
 
What is telling or perhaps "the writing on the wall" is MB perhaps has one of the best A/T's around. Dare I say bullet proof.
 
So the real "driver" for the switch from so called "slush box" automatics to CVT automatics is first and foremost the regulatory environment, (aka better mpg) and costs, obviously.
 
So if they can not tweak the slush box A/T to do "better," the next best is the switch to CVT. If folks either complain or more realistically do not BUY a car because of the CVT, then they will have to as a minimum make a CVT act more like a slush box A/T. In any case, it appears that it is the slush box A/T as currently designed, whose days are numbered. As evidenced by the VW line with 6 speed MANUAL transmission offerings, an increasing but still minority of folks will STILL buy (6 speed manual transmissions)

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