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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
5809 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30 PM
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Replying to: elias (Nov 07, 2009 6:42 am) Evidently the big deal with all three as far as MPG goes is driving style, since they all three get horrible city ratings. So stomping on it off the line can easily drop the city rating to 10-12 mpg. And these cars without a doubt encourage heavy-footed driving.  Yes, I've seen the re-badged versions and they do look better. As does removing that silly rear wing piece they tacked on. My money, though, personally, goes for the CTS because it's a bit smaller and more agile and the 3.6 is a fantastic engine that gets good MPG and performance. It's not nearly as powerful as the V8s in torque, but there is no lag or peak to it either thanks to it having VVT. It pulls like a diesel engine through all rpms and is very predictable to drive as a result. It may only have ~250HP, but it uses it as efficiently as a typical Honda or BMW engine. Go test drive one as well - there should be plenty of 2006-2007 certified models for around $20K. (original sticker for it said 17/26/20, and it does get slightly better mpg overall than the GTO from what people report(or that I could find online quickly - heh)) Other than those three, well, there's pretty much nothing other than stuff like the Mustang, which is a fine machine until you get in a corner. Or sit in it - it's a hideous interior to be honest. Oh, and the rear seat will make you lose friends quickly. And good luck seeing out the back...  *edit* my only gripe with the Camaro is this as well - bad rear visibility compared to the GTO(with the rear wing piece removed, it's good) or CTS(which is merely OK). I think it's because they did too good of a job replicating the original Camaro's look and feel. You do sit very low in the car. |
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2011 Buick Regal To Come With Manual Transmission (Straightline) Not a joke. Really. I think.... 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 19, 2009 2:11 pm) I don't know about an Opel, but a typical GM is about as sedate of a drive as there gets.
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 19, 2009 3:02 pm) 
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 19, 2009 3:02 pm) Exactly what you don't want if you desire a sporty vehicle. The power to weight ratio, the lack of off-the-line torque, turbo-lag, and front wheel drive... Ick. A cheap Camaro is by far a better vehicle in that case. Or even a used CTS. 3400lbs+ and a little 2.0 turbo engine isn't going to be very good unless you flog the bolts off of it. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q1/2010_saturn_aura_2010_pontiac_g6_20- 09_opel_insignia-mini_test_road_test **quote** The weight shows in the car’s performance—even the 2.0-liter turbo engine is only adequately quick and not outstanding **** Auto review translator reads: Slow as a dog but we can't actually say that we loathed it. It's a detuned version(why?) of the engine put into the Cobalt SS. Just with 500 pounds added weight.  Due to that extra weight, it gets the same MPG as the Cobalt SS, but is almost 3 seconds slower in actual 0-60 tests(not manufacturer "estimate" but stomp on it at a drag strip type test) A Buick GNX revision this isn't... |
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"If all sticks were this good, everyone would drive one." Manual Shifters Everyone Would Drive (Edmunds Daily)
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good choices. I have owned and driven a lot of different sticks, and I am pretty flexible with the shifter itself (never really had a bad one, other than the deisel International ryder truck. That was like a broom handle in a buck of rocks and oatmeal, with a completely fried clutch). The ones I disliked, however, were due to the clutch. The 1992 Subaru Legacy (FWD) wagon? Shited OK, but the clutch was way too stiff. 1 hour in traffic, and my left leg quivered. The 1991 626? All day stop and go, no problem. My current accord is like that too. I do like some of the RWD (and better FWD) linkages though. My Miata really was like a rifle bolt or toggle switch almost, but the clutch was kinda stiff, but not an issue since I never sat in traffic with it. A couple of the Volvos I tried over the years (S60) had pretty lousy clutches too. More like an on/off switch without much feel. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 20, 2009 7:53 am) 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 20, 2009 7:53 am) |
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And you guys have convinced them.  2011 Cadillac CTS Coupe Will Come Standard With Six-Speed Manual (Straightline) 
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