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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
5809 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30 PM
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You could get both the original two door insight and the older Civic Hybrids with a manual. Huh, you mean the car website I sniped that Hon-Duh info. from is incorrect in their stating that the new Hon-Duh CRX under development is the first Hon-Duh hybrid with a manual tranny? I must admit in my scope of research or no research that Hon-Duh is not one of my favorites, baby. In fact, they're way down the carmaker list for my faves. I do like that new CRX front end look. I don't like the back of it. Looks a tad too much hybrid Insight-looking. |
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Replying to: shipo (Oct 23, 2009 6:12 am) Drove it once, remember it forever. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 23, 2009 11:01 am)  If we are WAY more lucky than we probably deserve to be, this may lead to there being a Civic hybrid manual on offer again (and Insight - all 3 models will share the same hybrid guts, from what I can tell). I'm putting in a vote for my Echo for best manual ever......JUST KIDDING!  Toyota USED to know how to make decent manuals (25 years ago, that is) but alas, no more. I prefer the metallic and precise feel of a Honda box to the slightly vague, notchy, and long throw of my current Impreza shifter. Can't complain about the clutch though - Subaru has made WORLDS of improvement there in the last 12 years. Can't complain about the Echo's clutch either - commute-car light (for that occasional stop-and-go traffic we all look forward to) yet easy to tell where the engagement point is, so unlike other cars I have had with really light clutches.  Edit.....my RX-7 was an '88, and I like so many others posting before me here will never forget that shifter. THAT'S what every shifter should be. |
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Subjective. Some of the cars that I've owned. 76, 79, 85 Saab - not great. Clutch and transmission probably worst part of the car. Subaru Outback. - long throws and clutch wore quickly. All of the Miatas I've owned 90, 93, 99, and 08. - Best gearbox, especially the 08. I actually enjoy my Toyota Echo. Long clunky throws. What I hate most - my Subaru Forester with an automatic. No fun!!! |
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 Now, if someone was stung by this particular bug badly enough I spose they could tolerate the rear end. What would interest a person like me more with that cool front end is stretching this length back a squish and adding two doors. And slamming that rearward bent-up angle down and designing an attractive rear end to it for a 4-door sedan worthy to take on any and all car markets. Oh, the Civic 4-door sedan already foots this bill, eh? Not for me it doesn't. Mitsu still blows Honda away in their styling department, IMHO. To pull away a New World Order Lancer-lover like myself Honda would need to take designs like this and meld some real beauty in to them, with sportiness at the forefront. To get what's being described as a reputation of having a smooth manual shifting experience from Honda is worthy of further future interest, though, huh?
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Oct 24, 2009 7:09 am) Me me me! If it handles like a CRX and goes fairly fast in a straight line, while getting better than 40 mpg and employing a 3-pedal manual, it's exactly what I'm looking for. Let's face it, the old CRXs that everybody loved so much weren't THAT great-looking either, just fairly squarish little hatchbacks. But they were a ton of fun. |
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Honda sell a ton of these. The word has been out for a while now on the new world order CRX, so people are expecting great things in this little package. I recall a buddy from Boeing who drive his girlfriend's red late 80's Honda CRX around in absolute joyful glee! He said it was a ball to drive because of it's great acceleration and handling. It does perk up my ears a bit, too. And yes, one must have a manual tranny in this pup, for sure-for sure! |
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Replying to: plekto (Oct 23, 2009 1:43 pm) The other one like this that I am aware of [ 4 fwd speeds on the column + reverse drove one once - same time frame = late 60s ] is the Peugeot 404. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_404 Odd indeed... But better than the 3 on the column Plymouth I was driving at the time.... - Ray Not a connoisseur any more...
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Replying to: rayainsw (Oct 25, 2009 5:52 am)  The car had many good qualities, but was just too French for my tastes. The designers seemed to value doing things differently from the norm, just for the sake of being different.  The column shifter was not one of my favorite features. 
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Replying to: oregonboy (Oct 25, 2009 7:18 am) The worst? For reliability the boxes on my Saab 9000 Turbos and for general driveability the five speed on my '91 Taurus SHO with throws that were way too long and a clutch that was just out of phase with the rest of the drivetrain. The Moss crash box on a lady friend's '62 E-Type 3.8 wasn't great, what a difference the new box on the Series II made! Best Automatic, the (GM-built!) 5-speed Steptronic on my BMW 528i. Worst Auto- the klutzy 4speeder in my MIL's Buick LeSabre, it's incapable of a smooth shift over 3000 RPM. |
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