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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
5809 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30 PM
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Replying to: colloquor (Oct 23, 2009 8:26 am) And that is, I must say, an excellent choice. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 23, 2009 7:45 am)  I jest, I jest. 
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Replying to: carstryke (Oct 22, 2009 8:17 pm) |
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Replying to: xwesx (Oct 23, 2009 8:36 am) The S2000 does have very close gates and very short throws, I just don't think it's very forgiving, plus I don't like the noise it makes - the clink-clank of metal on metal. It's the type of gearbox that you have to practice with, and once accustomed to it I'm sure you'd love it. But...I don't think a gear box with a learning curve is necessarily the best. The best should be easy for anyone to use, hop in, drive off, not even think about the effort to shift.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 23, 2009 8:59 am) Let me ask it another way. How many folks would buy a 2010 Porsche Carrerra S (twin turbo) because it has the best (real or perceived) 6 speed manual ? 
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Let's see... 1980 Datsun 210: Clutch was so worn out the buyer I sold it to had to replace it. Truck-like long throws for shifting. Very light clutch pedal, at least. C-. 1986 Chevy Sprint: Rubbery-est shifter you'd ever try. Had to fight to find 1st or reverse every time. Light clutch, but I had to replace that. I'm sure it was engineering to handle all those raging 49 horses. Grade: D. 1991 Ford Escort GT: This was really a Mazda gearbox, from the Protege, but it had trouble finding first and reverser. The 2-3 shift also forced a short delay in neutral. The clutch was fantastic - light, predictable. Overall a C+ though because it would force miss shifts or delayed shifts. 1998 Subaru Forester: Light clutch, well defined gates. Throws were a bit long, but an SPT shift kit fixed that. Can't remember ever once missing a shift. The knob stuck out far and tall, though, because the seats were high (it's a lifted WRX). B+ before the SPT shifter, A- after it was installed. 1993 Mazda Miata: A+. Light, fun, precise, what every other shifter ought to be. 1995 Mazda 626 V6 ES: Not as good as the Miata's. Heavier clutch pedal. Good shifter, though. Smooth clutch engagement. Solid B. 2002 Subaru Legacy: Not good. The clutch take-up was too abrupt, and the worst part was the on/off throttle. Impossible to start off smoothly. The shifter itself was OK, but the throttle spoiled the fun. Overall a D+. 2008 Miata 6 speed: Gates may be a bit too close together compared to the 5 speed of my old Miata. Reverse is next to 1st so the gates aren't as distinct. Clutch is not as light at 93 but still lighter than average. The 93's clutch was also less abrupt but that was probably due to wear. Still gets a sold A- overall. That's been my experience, YMMV. |
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Replying to: rcarr7 (Oct 23, 2009 9:03 am) Example: remember those early Porsche 911 models where you had the push the clutch pedal in and then down? Those were awful. Enthusiasts defended them, arguing you needed skill to pilot such a wonderful car, blah blah blah. I say Baloney. It was an awful clutch to use. It took all of your concentration and distracted you from the task of driving. My buddy, who owned a 911 Targa (not sure the year, late 80s maybe), would argue with me all the time. He didn't keep that car for long - sold it less than a year after buying it used. I'm sure it was hard to live with that clutch. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 23, 2009 9:17 am)
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Replying to: rcarr7 (Oct 23, 2009 9:30 am) The action/throw/usability of the 05 GTO 6-speed is a substantial downgrade compared to that Hurst-Y2K-Z28. My Jetta TDI clutch/shifter is very smooth and so easy to shift, but throws are long. I recall my 1990 Civic Hatchback 4-speed had a very nice clutch/transmission/shifter, again with long throws.
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is said to be their first hybrid on which they will offer a manual tranny. It's the square back on this new design that stumps me a tad.  This looks lookin' pretty good to me, though.
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