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The Future Of The Manual Transmission

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Re: interesting factoid [nippononly] by ateixeira
Oct 13, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 10, 2009 10:21 pm)

Subaru may be the last of the mohicans, i.e. the last Asian make to offer manuals in so many different cars. Slowly the option is disappearing from competitors.
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japanese by stickguy
Oct 13, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Honda seems like they want to eliminate it for the Accord. WOuldn't surprise me if that happens soon. The civic and fit should keep the faith though.
 
Toyota? Probably be happy to go completely clutchless, but it could linger in their smallest units, and maybe some scions.
 
Nissan is CVT happy.
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Re: japanese [stickguy] by ateixeira
Oct 13, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: stickguy (Oct 13, 2009 10:52 am)

They dropped it from the CR-V with this most recent redesign.
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Re: interesting factoid [ateixeira] by nippononly
Oct 13, 2009 (3:29 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 13, 2009 10:35 am)

Yeah, but they are following Toyota down the ill-conceived path of offering auto-only trims, like the Legacy SE and everything with the H-6. That is discouraging.
 
One thing that IS nice is that among the performance-oriented models, their dealers still stock a healthy proportion of manuals.
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Re: interesting factoid [nippononly] by ateixeira
Oct 14, 2009 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 13, 2009 3:29 pm)

I don't think the H6 ever was offered with a manual tranny.
 
From the original VDC Outback 3.0 to the Tribeca to the new 3.6l H6 Legacy, all have been automatics.
 
The turbos get manuals, but they did drop the Forester XT manual.
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Re: interesting factoid [ateixeira] by nippononly
Oct 14, 2009 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 14, 2009 7:30 am)

But the H-6 gets a 6-speed manual option in Japan, right? So the R&D on it is done, they just choose not to offer it to the slothful Americans.
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Re: interesting factoid [nippononly] by ateixeira
Oct 14, 2009 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 14, 2009 7:33 am)

Now that you mention that, yes.
 
But let's keep in mind it was never EPA-certified, so they haven't jumped thru all the hoops yet.
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Re: interesting factoid [ateixeira] by oregonboy
Oct 14, 2009 (11:59 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 14, 2009 7:30 am)

I test-drove both manual and automatic Forester XTs when they first came out. The manual was WAY more fun... not even close... no comparison.
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Re: interesting factoid [oregonboy] by nippononly
Oct 15, 2009 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Oct 14, 2009 11:59 pm)

While Subaru continues to use an outdated automatic with only 4 widely spaced ratios, that is not surprising....
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Re: interesting factoid [oregonboy] by ateixeira
Oct 15, 2009 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Oct 14, 2009 11:59 pm)

Yup, when it came out C&D hit 60mph in 5.4 seconds.
 
That's not a typo, it outran the Lamborghini Countache 4000S in the same issue (when the Lambo was new).
 
80s super car performance.
 
The auto did it in the 6s, still quick but not nearly as impressive. Plus they later relaxed the gearing so it went to high 6s/low 7s.

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