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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
5777 messages, Last post on Nov 07, 2009 at 8:06 AM
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Replying to: elias (Oct 12, 2008 4:23 am) Assuming that you aren't talking about SUVs and crossovers, then the BMW 5-Series Wagon (i.e. the 535xi Sport Wagon with a 6-Speed manual transmission) is probably the car that best answers your question. Best regards, Shipo |
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Replying to: stickguy (Oct 12, 2008 9:15 am) 
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Replying to: tallman1 (Oct 12, 2008 3:09 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 12, 2008 8:17 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 12, 2008 8:48 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 13, 2008 5:43 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 13, 2008 7:26 am) But the question is why did Toyota release it as a Automatic? If commuting hasn't contributed to Toyota's marketing of automatics in commuter cars what has? It should be easy to see the consumer is voting with their wallet and Toyota wants to get as much of that vote as they can. If Manuals were better for commuting for the average person then by logic more commuters would drive manuals. But they don't and Toyota must have figured that out.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 13, 2008 3:07 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 13, 2008 5:43 am) Oh - the largest vehilcle with a manual transmission other than the big GMC and Ford commercial trucks (GMC 4500 for instance) are the larger cargo vans(van conversion, of course... heh). Second are the larger full size pickups. A few are still available with manuals. For cars, though, You're stuck with essentially Volvos, Saabs, the Cadillac CTS, and a few specific BMWs and Mercedes (note the European theme?)
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Replying to: plekto (Oct 13, 2008 10:23 pm) My point is still, if manuals were easier to drive or better, as some contend, then why have more than 90 percent of American Consumers decided to pay extra for an commuter car with an Automatic? You can't on one hand say the manual is easier to drive and on the other accuse the consumers of being lazy. There is some logic missing here. Something has made the manual fall from grace as the "standard" transmission over the years. From all reports Asians are moving in the same direction we are with CVTs and other automatic transmissions even in their small cars. we constantly hear in these forums that manuals are better, easier, more efficient and yet they have been rejected by the majority of American consumers. Europe's automotive preferences have had far less impact on the US than has Asia's That tread isn't likely to change nor is the availability of manuals. Some have suggested that sports cars will be the last bastion of the manual and that could well be. But to the American consumer new and improved means easier to use. The question stands, why if there is a clear advantage to manuals in commuter traffic would consumers reject them and pay more for an automatic at the rate of 9 to 1?
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