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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
5809 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30 PM
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 29, 2008 4:29 pm) There's no way that's verified. I bet he's only taking in to account the 15% gas part, and ignoring the fact that he's burning 85% ethanol. The number just don't add up. Ethanol has higher octane so the extra power is believable, but 80mpg is not, because you actually lose mileage. |
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R&T has a comparo of 4 "fast" models in this month's edition. Of those, only one had an automatic, the Lancer Ralliart (Mitsu's answer to the non-STI WRX). And out of 4, it placed, ummm.......FOURTH. One of the reasons? The TC-SST gearbox, which they felt was "a bit clunky around town.....Even in full automatic mode, the twin clutches aren't very smooth in stop-and-go traffic, and the occasional expensive-sounding thunk when manually shifting from 1st to 2nd gear is disconcerting..." That latest and greatest answer to the question of how to make an automatic that is as good as a manual (which is of course, impossible, hence all the botched tries  ) still seems to be lacking....
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:41 pm) |
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:41 pm) 
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Replying to: razorasdf (Oct 09, 2008 1:46 pm) Or maybe buy the actual WRX instead, and get the tried-and-true 3-pedal 5-speed (which is its only transmission choice this year)? 
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm) That's pretty disappointing. I wonder if it was just an abused press car. Then again, it's an auto so you'd think the TCU would prevent that. Hmm, they were gonna offer it on the Outlander but postponed it - teething issues? |
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm) Or maybe buy the actual WRX instead, and get the tried-and-true 3-pedal 5-speed (which is its only transmission choice this year)? So a real EVO and a Real WRX are simply imitation WRC cars? Then shouldn't a real EVO come with a real Paddle shifter? If we are getting "real".  Many moons ago I thought I wanted to be a motorcycle racer. I got a Kawasaki 750 Tripple, added rear sets and clip-ons and got a dust bin faring. Managed to get a sportsman racing ticket and thought I might want to move up. I asked a bike mechanic what it would take to turn my bike into a real racer, he said to take off the mirror and roll a race bike under it. Met Kenny Roberts at the old Ontario track and watched his practice for the pro races that weekend. It was my last day on a real track with what I thought was a real bike. It is always with interest that when in these debates we refer to testing done by R&T or C&D as they "race" the cars against each other. But when you mention how Paddle shifters have all but replaced all third pedals in the top racing cars we fall back on the practicality of a true manual. Seems there is a lot of wishful thinking here. And just after you complained about the new Yota 5 door Yaris and Toyota's choice of transmission.
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Replying to: kyfdx (Oct 10, 2008 1:31 pm) And boaz, I didn't call the Evo "real" because it has a stick, I called it real because it has the full power and proper handling characteristics, whereas the Ralliart looks the part but is down more than 10% on power, and apparently down about 80% on handling if that article is to be believed. |
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OK folks, what's the largest car with manual transmission available to USA consumers today? Could it be the VW TDI Wagon ? Largest by any metric: weight, cargo-volume, passenger-volume, passenger-count ... Also, same question but also including SUVs/trucks. ? let's say 2008 or 2009 model year, anything likely/possible to be on dealers lots now? Just a thought experiment here, nobody's actually *buying* new vehicles now but it's fun to talk about.
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