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Automotive News & Views The Future Of The Manual Transmission
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I am not against text messaging, and it sounds like your idea is sound as a pound, as far as texting someone about a highway emergency. But my point on not doing it while driving is because we all have to share the road with these dodo-heads that insist on texting while driving. I would probably just make a cell phone call to that person getting out of work later than I, and just leave a voice mail message for them, if they didn't pick up. Everyone's cell has voice mail, doesn't it? Everyone's cell I know of has a voice mail messaging system. Anyhow, no, it is not offensive what you are bringing up in this forum and I have willingly participated in it. I didn't have to, so everything's OK. I was serious when I say go and enjoy your trips in your vehicles with ICE, hybrid, or whatever you drive. If you can afford the ghastly and you have the extra time car travelling entails, I still say go for it. Once again, the current economic climate strings this one out to the point that there won't be too much pull on the system and too much usage, the prices are high and for whatever good reason(India, China and Russian increased demand, Hurricane Ike, Governor Palin blowing her nose at just the right time, they don't need a valid reason, they've already got a playbook loaded with every luxurious reason they could ever need to continue overcharging us for ghastly) they are staying artificially high. Boy, they never do that to us, do they? If memory serves me, the '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS with the 5-speed manual gets 22 city and 31 highway mpg. The '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS with the automatic CVT tranny gets 21 city and 31 highway mpg. So, 1 mpg less in the city and that's all. Also, I got on a 209 mile one way trip to Phoenix on Monday, 35 mpg on I-10, going over to Phoenix. I got about 31 mpg highway on the way back, a lot more slight inclines up and hills to go up and over, starting south of Tucson and continuing on in to Willcox, AZ. So I'm besting the window sticker estimates for mpg in my Lancer GTS with the automatic transmission. Not much to complain about with this non-manual setup I've got, eh? Nope, I say take an old-fashioned vacation on the road and take your time, read the signs by the side of the road and learn about the area you're travelling through. I love to edumacate myself like that on vacations, oh yes I do. 
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 29, 2008 4:29 pm) There's no way that's verified. I bet he's only taking in to account the 15% gas part, and ignoring the fact that he's burning 85% ethanol. The number just don't add up. Ethanol has higher octane so the extra power is believable, but 80mpg is not, because you actually lose mileage. |
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R&T has a comparo of 4 "fast" models in this month's edition. Of those, only one had an automatic, the Lancer Ralliart (Mitsu's answer to the non-STI WRX). And out of 4, it placed, ummm.......FOURTH. One of the reasons? The TC-SST gearbox, which they felt was "a bit clunky around town.....Even in full automatic mode, the twin clutches aren't very smooth in stop-and-go traffic, and the occasional expensive-sounding thunk when manually shifting from 1st to 2nd gear is disconcerting..." That latest and greatest answer to the question of how to make an automatic that is as good as a manual (which is of course, impossible, hence all the botched tries  ) still seems to be lacking....
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:41 pm) |
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:41 pm) 
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Replying to: razorasdf (Oct 09, 2008 1:46 pm) Or maybe buy the actual WRX instead, and get the tried-and-true 3-pedal 5-speed (which is its only transmission choice this year)? 
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm) That's pretty disappointing. I wonder if it was just an abused press car. Then again, it's an auto so you'd think the TCU would prevent that. Hmm, they were gonna offer it on the Outlander but postponed it - teething issues? |
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 09, 2008 1:53 pm) Or maybe buy the actual WRX instead, and get the tried-and-true 3-pedal 5-speed (which is its only transmission choice this year)? So a real EVO and a Real WRX are simply imitation WRC cars? Then shouldn't a real EVO come with a real Paddle shifter? If we are getting "real".  Many moons ago I thought I wanted to be a motorcycle racer. I got a Kawasaki 750 Tripple, added rear sets and clip-ons and got a dust bin faring. Managed to get a sportsman racing ticket and thought I might want to move up. I asked a bike mechanic what it would take to turn my bike into a real racer, he said to take off the mirror and roll a race bike under it. Met Kenny Roberts at the old Ontario track and watched his practice for the pro races that weekend. It was my last day on a real track with what I thought was a real bike. It is always with interest that when in these debates we refer to testing done by R&T or C&D as they "race" the cars against each other. But when you mention how Paddle shifters have all but replaced all third pedals in the top racing cars we fall back on the practicality of a true manual. Seems there is a lot of wishful thinking here. And just after you complained about the new Yota 5 door Yaris and Toyota's choice of transmission.
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Replying to: kyfdx (Oct 10, 2008 1:31 pm) And boaz, I didn't call the Evo "real" because it has a stick, I called it real because it has the full power and proper handling characteristics, whereas the Ralliart looks the part but is down more than 10% on power, and apparently down about 80% on handling if that article is to be believed. |
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