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#6 of 55 Re: CR gave the 3 very high reliability rating [mazda6s] by 600kgolfgt Apr 25, 2005 (4:37 am)
Replying to: mazda6s (Apr 24, 2005 9:47 pm) The GLI is supposed to arrive around July 2005.
#7 of 55 I wonder if the new Jetta will actually be a reliable car? by mdaffron Apr 25, 2005 (4:50 am)
VW has a long way to go to catch up with Mazda's reliability! Having known the owner of a 2001 Jetta, I wouldn't go NEAR one!   Meade
#8 of 55 Jetta 2006 and Consumer Reports (CR) reliability ratings by autonomous Apr 25, 2005 (4:57 am)
Kudos to VW for getting the SAB/SAC on the Jetta!   Considering the terrible reliability ratings the previous Jetta / Beetle / Golf have had, it may be wise to give the latest model some time to see if the issues identified by CR have worked themselves out. The issues in the previous models included electrical, power equipment, ignition, body integrity and hardware.   On the other hand, CR noted many positive things about the new Jetta including it is "fairly nimble", "ride was comfortable and quiet", "more upscale", "the rear seats are roomier than the Audi A4's". Three powertrains are listed: 2.5L 5 cyl. (150 hp); 2.0L turbo 4 cyl. (200 hp); 1.9L 4 turbodiesel (100 hp).   As mazda6s has noted it was the particular test model submitted by Mazda that seemed to have failed the IIHS, so the Mazda3 SP23 with SAB and SAC may still be worthy of consideration. Replies to this message: mdaffron (Apr 25, 2005 5:10 am)
#9 of 55 Re: Jetta 2006 and Consumer Reports (CR) reliability ratings [autonomous] by mdaffron Apr 25, 2005 (5:10 am)
Replying to: autonomous (Apr 25, 2005 4:57 am) Yessss ... Note that the Camry with SABs fared almost as well as the Jetta in the IIHS side-impact crash test, but just as in the recent IIHS test of small cars, the non-SAB-equipped Camry got a poor rating.   I'm waiting to see the results of that crash test with ANY Mazda3 ... not just the SP23 ... with SABs.   Meade
#10 of 55 The new Jetta is more comparable to the other "Mazda3" -- by creakid1 Apr 25, 2005 (1:23 pm)
the S40, in terms of price, reliability, quietness, & the availability of curtain airbags & soft-riding suspension.   The only other Euro-designed car available in N.A. w/ the state-of-the-art rear Control Blades & still tops reliability rating is the recent Focus, per CR's '03 & '04 chart in the April '05 issue.
#11 of 55 Volvo S40, Jetta, Mazda3, etc. by autonomous Apr 26, 2005 (4:22 am)
Creakid1 is right that Consumer Reports recommends the Ford Focus only in 2003 and 2004 but not 2005 (due to the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety, IIHS, side crash testing which eliminated most small sedans including the Mazda3). Both the Ford Focus and Mazda3 rated at the top of the list in terms of overall test score, but because of the safety issue identified by the IIHS, CR could not recommend them to consumers.   In its April 05 issue CR does not recommend the Volvo S40 giving it only a Good overall score; it notes several issues: ride, engine noise and large turning circle. The top choices in this category, Family Sedans, are not surprisingly the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and VW Passat. Replies to this message: mdaffron (Apr 26, 2005 4:40 am) curiousg (Apr 26, 2005 5:51 am) creakid1 (Apr 27, 2005 9:25 pm) unclesmrgol (May 08, 2005 8:07 pm) mdaffron (May 09, 2005 11:21 am) mazda6s (Apr 26, 2005 7:11 pm) jeffyscott (Apr 27, 2005 4:27 am)
#12 of 55 Re: Volvo S40, Jetta, Mazda3, etc. [autonomous] by mdaffron Apr 26, 2005 (4:40 am)
Replying to: autonomous (Apr 26, 2005 4:22 am) CR and IIHS are not recommended by me either.   Any so-called "institute" for public safety that conducts a side-impact test where some of the subject vehicles are equipped with optional side-impact and curtain air bags, and others do not even though they, too, can be equipped with them as options, is about as laughable as a "consumer-oriented" magazine that puts so much emphasis on the results of such a "test".   It'll be a long, long time before I go to "Consumer Distorts" for any pre-purchase reviews of a product again.   Meade   P.S. Back in 1992, My 10-month-old 1992 Protege LX hydroplaned into a stopped Volvo 245 DL (station wagon) going 45 mph. (The investigation blamed it on the intensity of the thunderstorm that I was driving in and the car's crappy Bridgestone Potenza tires, which had lost nearly all their tread after only 28,000 miles.) The 1992 Protege did not have air bags of any kind; even worse, its seat belts were those wonderful, motorized "passive restraint" belts. Even so, the car did exactly what it was supposed to, absorbing the impact in the front. The engine dived under the car. The passenger compartment stayed intact and the doors remained functional. The seat belt stopped all 250 pounds of yours truly and I walked away from the accident. In short, all of the safety features on that Mazda did what they were supposed to do. Interestingly, the Volvo's driver could have killed the infant in his back seat because the impact caused the driver's seat -- and him -- to recline all the way down onto the back seat. (Thank God the child's safety seat was mounted behind the passenger seat.) In summary, the Mazda's safety features outperformed the Volvo's. No air bags, no IIHS tests, and everyone's alive today to talk about it. Replies to this message: curiousg (Apr 26, 2005 5:51 am) creakid1 (Apr 27, 2005 9:25 pm) unclesmrgol (May 08, 2005 8:07 pm) mdaffron (May 09, 2005 11:21 am)
#13 of 55 Re: Volvo S40, Jetta, Mazda3, etc. [mdaffron] by curiousg Apr 26, 2005 (5:51 am)
Replying to: mdaffron (Apr 26, 2005 4:40 am) Perhaps there is more to the story with that Volvo - the Volvo 2 series was, and still is, one of the safest cars ever built. There was a point in it's history where no one had died in a Volvo 240 manufactured after the year 1987 (this was in the mid 90s). My sister was hit in f the front/side by someone running a red light at about 35 mph - car was moderately damaged but not a scratch on her. In my home town, three teens were racing (yeah, I know - not the 240's strong suit) and hit a telephone pole at nearly 60(!)mph. The pole cut through the hood like butter, knocked the engine down and out of the way, but did not intrude on the cabin. The front passenger had a broken ankle. That's it. This is not suprising though, as a Volvo 240 easily breached the 3000 lb mark, and is technically a compact car.   Well...not intending to hijack the thread, but couldn't help but comment. Put your kid in a Volvo 240! Replies to this message: creakid1 (Apr 27, 2005 9:25 pm)
#14 of 55 Re: Volvo S40, Jetta, Mazda3, etc. [autonomous] by mazda6s Apr 26, 2005 (7:11 pm)
Replying to: autonomous (Apr 26, 2005 4:22 am) In its April 05 issue CR does not recommend the Volvo S40 giving it only a Good overall score; it notes several issues: ride, engine noise and large turning circle. The top choices in this category, Family Sedans, are not surprisingly the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and VW Passat. Once again CR shows their bias in their ratings. I have driven the S40 (twice) and I love the ride and it is really quiet. The large turning circle is usually only a problem on paper, unless you do a LOT of U-turns. Replies to this message: jeffyscott (Apr 27, 2005 4:27 am)
#15 of 55 Re: Volvo S40, Jetta, Mazda3, etc. [mazda6s] by jeffyscott Apr 27, 2005 (4:27 am)
Replying to: mazda6s (Apr 26, 2005 7:11 pm) If I remember correctly CR tested the S40 with SPORT suspension. What a bunch of dopes, they buy the sport suspension then complain that the ride is too stiff.

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