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#2362 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by savetheland Oct 30, 2005 (4:54 pm)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 30, 2005 2:47 pm) Karl, what do you think about Pontiac G6 GTP?
#2363 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by bigdaddycoats Oct 31, 2005 (6:59 am)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 30, 2005 2:47 pm) Good to hear your positive comments. I must say, I am surprised you liked the Impala SS and the Torrent. Did you like the steering on the Torrent? I could not stand (steering wise) the Nox I drove - the electric steering felt horrible and sloppy. That is one of my complaints with the Malibu as well. So, have you driven a G6 GTP? I have yet to see any reviews on this vehicle yet. I am really curious if the conventional steering system has had a positive effect on the G6. Maybe I should go drive one myself - the local dealer has a dozen or so, amazingly even 4 with the manual. Replies to this message: editor_karl (Oct 31, 2005 7:08 am) bigdaddycoats (Oct 31, 2005 7:15 am) hammen2 (Oct 31, 2005 6:59 pm) editor_karl (Nov 01, 2005 1:55 pm) redmaxx (Oct 31, 2005 3:10 pm)
#2364 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [bigdaddycoats] by editor_karl Oct 31, 2005 (7:08 am)
Replying to: bigdaddycoats (Oct 31, 2005 6:59 am) Do the Equinox and Torrent definitely use the same steering system? I don't rememeber loving or hating the Chevy's system, but I felt like the Torrent's was fine. Remember, I'm more fogiving of SUVs because, well, they're SUVs. The Impala SS steering was better than "fine"; in fact, I'd have to call it "good" (which really surprised me...) I haven't driven the G6 GTP yet, but another editor did and he said it was pretty good. We're getting one in a few weeks so I'll know soon enogh... Replies to this message: bigdaddycoats (Oct 31, 2005 7:15 am) hammen2 (Oct 31, 2005 6:59 pm) editor_karl (Nov 01, 2005 1:55 pm) redmaxx (Oct 31, 2005 3:10 pm)
#2365 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by bigdaddycoats Oct 31, 2005 (7:15 am)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 31, 2005 7:08 am) Wow - online a little early this morning? Did you ever look into whether or not the spy pics of the 07 Envoy are really the Envoy or are they indeed the Acadia? Replies to this message: hammen2 (Oct 31, 2005 6:59 pm) editor_karl (Nov 01, 2005 1:55 pm)
#2366 of 2391 Torrent by ateixeira Oct 31, 2005 (9:21 am)
While a HUGE improvement over the Aztek, I think they could have done better than an old V6 made in China. At least give it the 3500 from the Malibu. That plus the cargo area tower eat up half the potential cargo space. Some minor re-packaging and it could be a lot better. Just swap out the engine and re-do the shock towers so they're not so huge. -juice
#2367 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by navigator89 Oct 31, 2005 (10:37 am)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 30, 2005 2:47 pm) I agree with you there, GM does have some good products in the market now, and many more to come. They have yet to bring out the Pontiac G6 coupe and convertible, Buick Lucerne, Saturn Aura, Sky, Cadillac DTS, STS-V, XLR-V and the latest batch of fullsize SUVs and trucks. Btw, if you've seen the pictures you will agree that they look really nice, especially the interiors. I'd say the domestic manufacturers are hitting homeruns in terms of having new products in the line. Ford doesn't have too much in the future, mainly because most of their cars were just introduced or redesigned. Chrysler will flood the market next year, and so will GM. Replies to this message: phillyone (Oct 31, 2005 2:50 pm)
#2368 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by phillyone Oct 31, 2005 (2:49 pm)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 30, 2005 2:47 pm) Those comments you made about GM products seem a little hard to believe. I would have to check those vehicles out for myself to know for sure. I dont really understand how you could like the Impala but not the GXP. Arent they basically the same V8 powered front drivers on ancient platforms with nothing but sheetmetal to differentiate them? I am seeing a lot of Impalas around and it looks decent, no worse than any Accord and Camry I guess. I would like to see a comparison between the Impala and the 500 or the Impala vs Camry vs Accord. If you think the impala is decent what is your beef with the cobalt? I dont see how the Impala is any more modern or competent than the Cobalt. At least the cobalt is on a modern platform and features modern DOHC engines. Two print mags have the same family sedan comparison in their December issues and the results were the same. The finishing order was Accord, Fusion, Sonota and Camry. Do you agree with thos results Karl? I'm sure you have driven all of these models. Just as I thought, the Fusion isnt going to be able to beat the Accord or Altima in any tests because of it's engine. It just doesnt have enough power to run with the Accord V6. A while back I proposed a comparison between the TL, Passat V6 and Maxima. Any thoughts on that? I also like the idea of a Fusion vs G6 vs Accord comparison. Replies to this message: hammen2 (Oct 31, 2005 6:37 pm) editor_karl (Nov 01, 2005 1:53 pm) phillyone (Nov 01, 2005 2:55 pm)
#2369 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [navigator89] by phillyone Oct 31, 2005 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: navigator89 (Oct 31, 2005 10:37 am) Actually the G6 coupe is already out, as is the DTS. I have seen both on the road. The STS-V comes out this month, and the Lucerne next month.
#2370 of 2391 Re: GM Turning the Corner? [editor_karl] by redmaxx Oct 31, 2005 (3:10 pm)
Replying to: editor_karl (Oct 31, 2005 7:08 am) The Equinox/Torrent use the same electric steering as the Malibu, G6 and Cobalt. However, there is room for tuning them differently, so maybe that is what you felt.
#2371 of 2391 by savetheland Oct 31, 2005 (4:10 pm)
I drove both G6 coupe and G6 GTP. Both have good steering feel (I swear that it is not an electric one). Three-spoke steering wheel is very good, unlike Malibu’s ugly steering wheel, and engine sound is kinda refined and smooth (have no idea what engine was, but it had enough power). But I did not drive on freeway so don’t know how good it is on freeway. Steering is good but not as good as on German cars (from what G6 was originally derived). The new Impala has unrefined engine sound on base model and thin 80-s style steering wheel. Interior is pretty good though. Replies to this message: hammen2 (Oct 31, 2005 6:40 pm)