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Replying to: cmuniz (Jan 20, 2008 6:41 am) Thanks for your feedback, your comments are appreciated. Based on your comments, our differences seem to be more generational in nature. You seem to value the total car buying experience and I am focused primary on price. Let me assure you that I am never rude to any dealership when negotiating these deals. I clearly outline my expectations to a number of dealers and ask them to contact me if they are interested in pursuing further negotiations. Some pass, but the majority are happy to compete for my business. It is never personal, just business. It was not my intent to offend. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm) And I believe it's close to the X-plan price. At least it was for the Freestyle. One *can* beat X-plan price, but not always. Especially if you're very picky about which specific vehicle you want. To me, it's not worth a grand on a 30k vehicle to have to get a color I don't want, or not get some feature that I want. Others are free to disagree, of course. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm) |
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 20, 2008 5:05 am) Gentlemen these are harsh and hurtful words. Misguided - to provide with incorrect information. Misleading - deceptive; tending to mislead. Useless - of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile I did use the words "misleading" and "useless". However, please re-read what I said within the context of my post. I didn't say that YOU were misleading or useless. I don't know you personally, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are not intending to be misleading or useless. I said that the concept of a "leaderboard" is useless at best and misleading at worst. I don't know you personally, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are not intending to be misleading or useless. Please don't interpret my statements as a personal attack upon you or your character, because they are not. They are an expression of my opinion on this "leaderboard" format. Are you telling me that saving money on a new car by purchasing it below the invoice price and avoiding the extra fees/Add-Ons is deceptive and incorrect information? Additionally, providing this information in a simple to read format is useless? This is certainly not my intent! I think bobw pretty much summed up why I feel this way in his posts, which is why I didn't elaborate. However, I will do you the courtesy of giving you a complete expression of why I feel the way I do. Posting the "best price" that somebody has achieved does not tell the whole story. The person might have gotten a good deal on the purchase but a bad deal on the trade-in. The person might have gotten a good deal because they financed with the dealer. The person might have gotten a good deal because the vehicle was an undesirable color. The person might have gotten a good deal because they have bought six cars with the same dealer previously, so they got a loyality "discount". The person might have gotten a good deal because they were hit with fees on the back end of the deal. That is why I believe that the "leaderboard" is useless at best - because it doesn't take into account the deal in its entirety. The reason why I say that it is misleading at worst is because it gives readers the impression that if they aren't getting that deal, then they might believe that they are getting screwed by the dealership. In truth, the deal that the reader might be getting, while is worse than the "leaderboard" deal, might still be a good deal when all the factors are taken into account. As a result, the reader might turn down a good deal in hopes to obtain that mythical "leaderboard" deal. The other reason why I don't like the whole "leaderboard" concept is that I believe that it might discourage people from posting their realistic deals. Let's say that I made a good deal on a vehicle, but when I come to this board, I read that the "leaderboard" deal is $500 less than my good deal. At this point, I might not want to post my deal because, when compared to the "leaderboard" deal doesn't seem as good, so why would I expose myself to public criticism because I didn't get as good a deal as somebody else. I am not saying that you or anyone else on here would actually criticize somebody's deal. I am saying that a potential poster might be scared off from posting for fear of criticism. It is an ego thing. Whenever you buy a car, you always want everyone to think that you got a great deal. Nobody wants to feel like they got taken advantage of by the dealership. By posting the "leaderboard", this might make some people feel like they got an inadequete deal, thus the community loses out on their data point, so to speak. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject. Since this is an open forum, I cannot enforce my opinion, nor should I. If you want to continue posting your "leaderboard", feel free to continue. However, I am just offering my opinion on the subject.
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Replying to: humblecoder (Jan 20, 2008 12:05 pm) Also for the record you do give useful information in your posts, but think it the "leader board" that some folks don't like, since there is so much unknown information behind the prices on the leaderboard to make the numbers posted on your leaderboard next to useless. Plus some folks who really got a good deal may look at your leaderboard and perhaps feel like they got screwed, unless it's your purpose to make folks who paid less than what's on your leaderboard feel bad? Anyway sello, good info on many posts you make to individual buyers, but why not just drop the leader board posts, as they're not very useful for much.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 20, 2008 12:26 pm) I guess that $100 bill that you emailed me was for something else then? 
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Replying to: humblecoder (Jan 20, 2008 2:07 pm) Thanks for your feedback, your $100 comment was funny. As I stated before, it is not my intent to offend anyone, but the bottom line is: if you know what you are doing (my intent on this board is to inform), one can purchase a car below the invoice price and not pay any extra fees or add-ons. Additionally, getting cheap financing (unless you are credit unworthy) is not difficult to arrange (sometimes the dealer has some great factory deals). I agree the trade is more difficult, but if the perspective buyers use the proper references and conduct the trade negotiations after securing the best price on the car, you can mitigate this problem (although by selling the trade yourself, you can avoid this problem and get more for your trade). This is not rocket science! I agree, not everyone will be able to get the best deal on their new car, but they will be better off financially for trying. This does not need to be a significant emotional event, just a business transaction. I wish everyone the best on their deals! |
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20 posts in the last two days, and not one of them has an actual price paid...  If you want to discuss the best way to post prices, then take it to e-mail... Prices Paid and Buying Experience... that's all we want. Thanks!! kyfdx Host-Prices Paid Forums
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 20, 2008 9:04 pm) Current Update Post your best deal in terms of below invoice price: 07 Freestyle $4900 below invoice. (Any of these left on the market?) 08 T-X $1000 below invoice. (This number is very low, better deals are being made with the CX-9 and VC) With all the rebates, at a minimum current deals on 08s should be at least equal to the rebate below the invoice price or better. (ie... $1500 rebate = $1500 below invoice) with not extra fees or add-ons. As part of your car deal question all extra fees the are not paid to the local and state Govt at TT&L and avoid add-ons! Keep your trade (if you have one) and financing separate from the cost of the car. There are a lot of people on this site that are willing to assist you. Good Luck.
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 21, 2008 5:57 am) 
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