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Replying to: seloo (Jan 19, 2008 4:04 pm) Anway, go back to your copy/paste close-to-spam posts.
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Replying to: djkm1 (Jan 17, 2008 4:10 pm) Since your original post was to me, I'll take a stab at answering your question. $250 over invoice for an ordered Taurus-X is not unreasonable at all. But since I believe you said it was your dealer's opening offer, you can probably do a bit better than that by countering with an offer of your own. Offer them invoice.. and be prepared to settle for maybe $100 over that. That's fair to everyone. After all, the dealer and his employee's have to eat too. I believe the rebate you receive will be whatever is in effect at time of delivery. I wouldn't worry about that being any less than the current $1,500. It might even be larger in a couple of months. That's the chance you take when you order for future delivery. At delivery, the dealer will likely try to sell you all kinds of optional add-ons.. like rust-proofing, paint sealant, alarm systems, etc. etc. etc. Just say NO to all. You don't need it, and frequently it only duplicates what is already there from the manufacturer. For gosh sake.. get Sync with your ordered vehicle. It's well worth it. One last piece of advice. I would ignore all posts from sel*o. In my opinion.. his/her approach to the car purchasing process is grossly misinformed at best, and completely misleading at worst. |
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 19, 2008 8:44 am) Personally, I think this whole concept of the "leader board" is useless at best and misleading at worst. Why not just let people read all of the deals posted and let them draw their own conclusions? It's not like there are an overwhelming number of deals being posted! |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 19, 2008 4:10 pm) I know, we all have the same goal here. I am just jerking your chain. No hard feelings. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm) Gentlemen these are harsh and hurtful words. Misguided - to provide with incorrect information. Misleading - deceptive; tending to mislead. Useless - of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile Are you telling me that saving money on a new car by purchasing it below the invoice price and avoiding the extra fees/Add-Ons is deceptive and incorrect information? Additionally, providing this information in a simple to read format is useless? This is certainly not my intent! Philosophically, I think we all want the same thing, please tell me if this is not true. The best price we can get on a new car (No Add-ons, Extra Fees) Keep the trade (if any) as a separate part of the car deal. Keep financing as a separate part of the car deal. Please help me understand your points of view.
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 20, 2008 5:05 am)
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Replying to: cmuniz (Jan 20, 2008 6:41 am) Thanks for your feedback, your comments are appreciated. Based on your comments, our differences seem to be more generational in nature. You seem to value the total car buying experience and I am focused primary on price. Let me assure you that I am never rude to any dealership when negotiating these deals. I clearly outline my expectations to a number of dealers and ask them to contact me if they are interested in pursuing further negotiations. Some pass, but the majority are happy to compete for my business. It is never personal, just business. It was not my intent to offend. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm) And I believe it's close to the X-plan price. At least it was for the Freestyle. One *can* beat X-plan price, but not always. Especially if you're very picky about which specific vehicle you want. To me, it's not worth a grand on a 30k vehicle to have to get a color I don't want, or not get some feature that I want. Others are free to disagree, of course. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm) |
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 20, 2008 5:05 am) Gentlemen these are harsh and hurtful words. Misguided - to provide with incorrect information. Misleading - deceptive; tending to mislead. Useless - of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile I did use the words "misleading" and "useless". However, please re-read what I said within the context of my post. I didn't say that YOU were misleading or useless. I don't know you personally, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are not intending to be misleading or useless. I said that the concept of a "leaderboard" is useless at best and misleading at worst. I don't know you personally, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are not intending to be misleading or useless. Please don't interpret my statements as a personal attack upon you or your character, because they are not. They are an expression of my opinion on this "leaderboard" format. Are you telling me that saving money on a new car by purchasing it below the invoice price and avoiding the extra fees/Add-Ons is deceptive and incorrect information? Additionally, providing this information in a simple to read format is useless? This is certainly not my intent! I think bobw pretty much summed up why I feel this way in his posts, which is why I didn't elaborate. However, I will do you the courtesy of giving you a complete expression of why I feel the way I do. Posting the "best price" that somebody has achieved does not tell the whole story. The person might have gotten a good deal on the purchase but a bad deal on the trade-in. The person might have gotten a good deal because they financed with the dealer. The person might have gotten a good deal because the vehicle was an undesirable color. The person might have gotten a good deal because they have bought six cars with the same dealer previously, so they got a loyality "discount". The person might have gotten a good deal because they were hit with fees on the back end of the deal. That is why I believe that the "leaderboard" is useless at best - because it doesn't take into account the deal in its entirety. The reason why I say that it is misleading at worst is because it gives readers the impression that if they aren't getting that deal, then they might believe that they are getting screwed by the dealership. In truth, the deal that the reader might be getting, while is worse than the "leaderboard" deal, might still be a good deal when all the factors are taken into account. As a result, the reader might turn down a good deal in hopes to obtain that mythical "leaderboard" deal. The other reason why I don't like the whole "leaderboard" concept is that I believe that it might discourage people from posting their realistic deals. Let's say that I made a good deal on a vehicle, but when I come to this board, I read that the "leaderboard" deal is $500 less than my good deal. At this point, I might not want to post my deal because, when compared to the "leaderboard" deal doesn't seem as good, so why would I expose myself to public criticism because I didn't get as good a deal as somebody else. I am not saying that you or anyone else on here would actually criticize somebody's deal. I am saying that a potential poster might be scared off from posting for fear of criticism. It is an ego thing. Whenever you buy a car, you always want everyone to think that you got a great deal. Nobody wants to feel like they got taken advantage of by the dealership. By posting the "leaderboard", this might make some people feel like they got an inadequete deal, thus the community loses out on their data point, so to speak. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject. Since this is an open forum, I cannot enforce my opinion, nor should I. If you want to continue posting your "leaderboard", feel free to continue. However, I am just offering my opinion on the subject.
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