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Ford Freestyle, Ford Taurus X, Wagon, SUV
#134 of 850 No Hassle 2006 SE for $24,944
Nov 25, 2005 (6:40 pm)
These boards at Edmund's are fantastic! I just bought a 2006 Freestyle SE (FWD) from Patchett's Ford in Stanislaus County, California for $24,944 (Convenience & Safety groups + Traction Control). The boards here helped me zero in exactly which vehicle I wanted, and alerted me to a Freesyle dashboard reflection problem which I was able to avoid by specifying a dark shale interior.
I used Edmunds four years ago to decide on a Camry XLE, which I bought from Cars Direct on-line due to advice here.
I wanted a station wagon with reasonable gas milage but the Taurus has been phased out with no replacement wagon from Ford. We're still moving college-age children to and from school, and need cargo capacity capable of carrying a twin bed mattress and box spring.
Passats are too small, while the Mazda DA6 has a lethal side-impact safety rating absent side airbags. The Subaru Outback requires high-octane gas while its stock engine can't handle hills and airconditioning both, and is too expensive with a more powerful engine. The Toyota Highlander's stock engine has lousy gas milage - 20-21 mpg on a highway. We even considered a minivan, but the Toyota Sienna is the only one with decent mpg while requiring high-octane, which defeats the point. The boards here were critical in teaching me the bad points of vehicles I decided not to buy.
The Freestyle topic about Real World MPG convinced me that the Freestyle is capable of 25-27 mpg freeway milage if cruise control is employed to take advantage of the Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT). My 2002 Camry XLE with the 4-cylinder engine gets 32mpg on the freeway when the cruise control is used.
My wife and I test-drove an AWD Freestyle today to check its visibility (marginal), its ride (adequate on the dreadful local freeway - Highway 99 betewen Turlock and Modesto, but not as good as my Camry's), and interior noise (almost as quiet as my 2002 Camry's, which is saying something).
The Ford dealer knew he was competing against Cars Direct and so gave us a good no-hassle price. We probably could have gotten another $500 off, but we've bought cars from him before and relationships are sometimes important. When my wife totalled her previous station wagon, the Ford dealer found us a replacement for it within 48 hours.
And I am aware that the Freestyle will be phased out after the 2007 model year - I read that here too. The decision is understandable if you consider that Ford trades off performance for reliability, as shown by the 200hp V6 Duratec engine in the Freestyle, which is less powerful than competitors' engines with the same displacement.
The CVT Ford uses would have its reliability fall off too much with a more powerful engine, so Ford has to drop the CVT if it wants to increase Freestyle power. And customers in this market are not like my wife and I - they prefer power over milage. Not to mention that the newness of the CVT means that most buyers don't know how to maximize the CVT's mpg advantages over a conventional transmission.
So the 2008 Mercury-only version of the Freestyle will probaby debut with 250hp engine and conventional transmission. Ford will use CVT's only for vehicle lines whose engines never exceed 200hp.
For my wife and I, however, the 2006 Freestyle has the same horsepower per weight ratio of our 2002 Camry sedan and Taurus station wagon, i.e., adequate. And the Freestyle is the only vehicle we can buy with both our desired cargo capacity and 25+ mpg freeway milage using regular gas.
The discussions here are marvelously informative. Thank you.
Nov 30, 2005 (1:28 pm)
The only Freestyle Limited I can find that comes close to the options, trim, etc. I want is halfway across the country. The dealer wants to charge me $1300 for profit and transport to their lot.
I figure I am better off just ordering from the factory. I found a dealer who will gaurantee x-plan pricing + whatever rebate is availble when they deliver my Freestyle.
Does this seem reasonable for a $500 deposit?
I get the exact vehicle I want but may only get the x-plan discount if there are no rebates next month. However, if they offer a rebate I'll get that too.
Another dealer I talked to wouldn't gaurantee anything. He wasn't asking for a deposit but the price would be negotiated after the car showed up on the lot. He did indicate he would sell for $300-400 over invoice which they do for most of their vehicles anyways.
#136 of 850 Re: New Limited [mynamehere]
Nov 30, 2005 (1:55 pm)
I rather pay the deposit and know the price up front. You're risking the $500 if there's something wrong with the car, but otherwise when the car comes in who knows what you'll pay!
#137 of 850 Re: New Limited [bobw3]
Nov 30, 2005 (4:31 pm)
I agree. I would rather pay the $500 then not be certain what you are going to pay when it arrives. I knew someone that waited until their car came in and then someone else saw it at the dealership and the dealer sold it to the other person because they were willing to pay more.
#138 of 850 How about this deal?
Dec 01, 2005 (2:04 pm)
05 Norsea Blue SEL
50/50 Split Seat
Front Row Comfort Package
Aux Climate Control
2nd Row Center Floor Console
Simple Plan Price 26540
-2000 cash back
-1000 ford credit bonus
-750 katrina discount
+1195 dealer added all leather seats in all three rows
Final price 23985
4440 below original msrp / 2203 below original invoice
Seems like a good deal especially with the real leather seats as opposed to leather seat covers on the first two rows and vinyl on everything else. Since it is an '05 traction control is free.
Still trying to score on the deal of the century..lol.
#139 of 850 Re: How about this deal? [mynamehere]
Dec 01, 2005 (3:05 pm)
Congratulations on a great deal. I didn't know you could get factory leather seats for third row? I'll have to check into getting those.
#140 of 850 Re: How about this deal? [mynamehere]
Dec 22, 2005 (8:16 am)
Sounds VERY good. I never heard of the Kartina discount. Is that for the Louisiana region or something ?
#141 of 850 Re: How about this deal? [quadad2]
Dec 22, 2005 (5:59 pm)
Yes, the Katrina discount was just for certain areas of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
I decided to go with a shadow gray limited as I just had to have the black leather and sliding bucket seats in the middle row.
What a great car!
#142 of 850 Re: How about this deal? [volfangary]
Dec 22, 2005 (10:33 pm)
I do not beleive the third row is leather from the accounts I have seen here on this site and the other FS forumn. I thought the "leather" package for the FS was only the 1st/2nd row seating surfaces only...
from the website;
"3rd-row 50/50 split bench seat with perforated vinyl with fold-down- into-floor feature (requires Front Row Comfort Package, leather-trimmed front seats and 2nd-row seats)"
#143 of 850 Re: How about this deal? [freealfas]
Dec 27, 2005 (10:34 am)
I believe from the original post that the leather interior in this case was dealer installed (aftermarket). You are correct that with the factory leather interior, the 3rd row seat is all vinyl (on the front seats, only the seating surface is leather, the remainder is vinyl) with either the SE/SEL optional or Limited standard. The vinyl available today is very good and can be difficult to tell that it is not leather. By the way, this is the same with most other US manufacturers also - Chrysler and GM -
the 3rd seats are all vinyl and only the seating areas are actually leather.