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#24 of 178 Re: Car makers are FAR FAR smarter than you guys give them credit for !! [l [kernick]
Feb 23, 2005 (5:45 pm)
me: plenty, if it's only a small part of their business.
I always welcome the voice of logic and reality. So much of this hybrid hype has no basis. People believe what they want to believe. The truth is that hybrids will never become mainstream until they are economically viable. For those driving an Insight or HCH that was purchased close to invoice will probably make out. With the Prius you are stuck. If you sell it close to the end of the warranty you are going to take a real Beating. No one wants to pay Blue Book for an unknown entity. If you keep it past the warranty it is anyone's guess how long all that stuff will keep going. Don't forget the poster with the 2002 Prius paying for a $600 sensor and $2100 catalytic convertor. Toyota got to her and they will get to any one they can.
#25 of 178 Puh-Leeze.......Toyota buyers are fools?
Feb 23, 2005 (2:03 pm)
Oh, umm, yes, all Toyota buyers are fools...Um Hum...And what do YOU see in that inkblot right THERE?
What it BACK HERE IN REALITY indicates is that Toyota is better at making, selling, and marketing cars than ANY other company in the world. Their Hybrids are a big part of that now and in the future, to get back on topic !!
No company pours 2 billion dollars into something to LOOK GREEN !! That's just a completely ludicrous thought. E-mail that thought to Toyota corporate and see what they respond, after they stop laughing on the way to the bank.....
#26 of 178 Re: Puh-Leeze.......Toyota buyers are fools? [larsb]
Feb 23, 2005 (2:10 pm)
No company pours 2 billion dollars into something to LOOK GREEN !!
I'll bet they spent 10 times that in advertising last year. Car companies spend many billions of dollars on advertising. The Prius was an advertising gimmick and now they are not sure what to do with it....
#27 of 178 And another thought
Feb 23, 2005 (2:09 pm)
OK Gary, let's assume they ARE just "trying to look green."
Let's assume they are doing that to impress the environmental movement.
So let's say that ALL the members of GreenPeace, etc. etc. ALL are impressed with the Prius and EVERY ONE OF THEM goes and buys one.
OK, now Toyota has impressed "greenies" to the point that the greenies are buying cars which are LOSING TOYOTA MONEY on every sale.
You see the fault in the logic? Why try to impress anyone by selling a car to them which will LOSE you money? Makes no sense.
The Prius "looks green" because it IS GREEN. Not the greenest car on the planet, but it makes anyone and everyone's Top 5...........
#28 of 178 Re: And another thought [larsb]
Feb 23, 2005 (2:13 pm)
Why try to impress anyone by selling a car to them which will LOSE you money? Makes no sense.
Honda says the Insight costs them $30k to manufacture. They sell for $20k, How does that relate?
#29 of 178 Oh, the Topper of all of them !!
Feb 23, 2005 (2:16 pm)
Quoting Gary-"The Prius was an advertising gimmick and now they are not sure what to do with it...."
( nothing I could say could ever improve my arguments better than everyone just reading that again. 'nuff said. )
Feb 23, 2005 (4:01 pm)
Larsh, it sure gets frustrating dosn't it to try to cover all the endorsments that so many car mags keep preaching as to the accolades that TOYOTA's PRIUS has deservedly achieved. The nay-sayers just don't get it. The satisfaction of this new generation hybrid has been, in a simple word, FANTASTIC. Anyone who owns one will tell you that the Prius has been a "10" on Bo Derek like list of better cars. It's not perfect but Dang! It's close. Why anyone would assert that Toyota is gimmic driven is missing the talents of this hybrid. Gas is presently going up and Toyota is supplying more hybrids with great warrantees. I guess it'll take 20 yrs to convince the nay-sayers.
Culliganman(REMEMBER..PRIUS STANDS FOR GOING B/4)
#31 of 178 Re: I AGREE TO AGREE!!] [railroadjames]
Feb 23, 2005 (4:17 pm)
I guess it'll take 20 yrs to convince the nay-sayers.
Not even close. When Toyota builds enough so that they are not a novelty and are priced competitively with other midsize cars. I will believe it is not a charade on the part of Toyota to look good. For a company that builds 6 million plus cars a year, to have a model that is popular since, what did you say 1998 in Japan, and only build 120k units world wide. Something ain't right. I don't see a shortage of Tacoma PUs, yet they are building a plant in San Antonio to build an additional 120k per year. So far they have not even announced where they are going to build a plant for the Prius and it is in short supply. They are upping the production to 15k units per month world wide. I realize most of them will be sold here where we have very few choices. I'll bet they don't sell many in the UK where gas is very expensive.
#32 of 178 Re: I AGREE TO AGREE!!] [railroadjames] [gagrice]
Feb 23, 2005 (4:43 pm)
20 yrs, na, the'll never be convinced - heck there are people that would prefer a carburetor and a cassette player to what we have now. So the future of hybrids is bright just not for the retro crowd.
#33 of 178 Re: I AGREE TO AGREE!!] [railroadjames] [gagrice] [rfruth]
Feb 23, 2005 (4:53 pm)
I guess you are addressing 99% of the car buying public. According to my calculations the hybrids did not make a one percent sales dent this year. Even if all the wait lists were filled it would not reach 1%. That makes most of the US retro. It is even a higher percentage in the EU where hybrids are not even considered a viable option. Funny with the high price of gas. Maybe they are smarter than us.