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| REPEAT. ONLY ULSD can be legally sold ANYWHERE!!!!!! Many stations have NO IDEA what they are selling. | |
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Replying to: nomorebenz (Dec 30, 2006 7:05 am) |
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| If you had made as many phone calls as I've made looking for ULSD you would not be so sure in you're remarks. It is not the only diesel out there. Stations are not forced to have it. Maybe later, but not now. The fuel is very scarce at stations. Stop telling me, or anyone, that it is the only legal fuel. It is illegal to put anything other than ULSD in a 2007 vehicle, but that is the only illegal thing at this point. I don't know why it's illegal, but surely it'll gum up a 2007. Stations say they are changing over, many stations don't have a clue, but without the label being on the pump, I'm not going to take a chance. It is NOT mandatory for a station to carry ULSD. It may be the only thing they'll be getting shortly, but they DON'T have to have it. Check out the government fuel website.... | |
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recently i've not seen anything but ULSD in the northeast and all the way down to Orlando. but with ~600 miles per tank (TDI), i don't have to refuel all that often. greasekid1, i understand that you are incorrect in the first sentence your REPEATED statement, and correct in the 2nd sentence. wopel, i think your statements & concern are exactly correct and i sympathize - your concern is why i opted to stock up on 06 VW TDIs for my family "fleet", instead of looking at any rare 07 diesel models. as for it being "illegal" to refuel an 07 diesel with non-ULSD, that seems absurd and totally unenforcable. i figure there MUST be folks out there who have done that, and i wonder if anything bad actually happened to their vehicle as a result - i think it's *doubtful* that anything bad would happen, but if i had an 07 diesel i would surely go out of my way to find ULSD if at all possible/convenient.
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Replying to: elias (Jan 04, 2007 8:00 am)
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Replying to: wopel (Jan 04, 2007 2:28 pm) All this is one reason that I bought CDI which can use either type of diesel. Reason that Bluetec cannot use old diesel is because it will not meet the new emmision regs and may also damage the Bluetec filtering system itself. Aside from all that it will probably work----at least for a while. I use Shell. |
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Replying to: wopel (Jan 04, 2007 2:28 pm) Generally, stations will only put out the ULSD emblems once they are certain their co-mingled fuel is at or close to 15 PPM. All refineries in the US are actually making all new ULSD at 8 PPM because they know the co-mingled fuel will pick-up old sulfur contaminants. ULSD is also being imported in addition to being refined in the USA since Canada started their conversion somewhat sooner and ULSD has been refined for Europe and elsewhere for sometime now. The one observation you received from a station sounds about right in that they have to go through at least 3 refills of their tanks (if not 5 or more) before enough of the old 500 PPM fuel is flushed as it is co-mingled with the new 8 PPM fuel. I believe that most high volume retailers are going to have to be producing the ULSD by January 2008 and it therefore will be available in most of the US the way it is in California right now. However, the US Energy Department and EPA actually are allowing that "up to 5 percent of the market could delay making the transition to ULSD until 2010". The good news is that in population centers and on major roadways the availability should be quickly getting better as stations continue to get better. The misconception arises with the significant difference between what can legally be refined versus what is available in retail outlets. Where as about 90% or more of the diesel being currently refined and imported is ULSD, the gas station that sells very little diesel fuel could take a year or even more to adequately flush out their old diesel. This is why the process is so slow at some stations. I also believe that many small ownership stations will wait to put out their ULSD emblems until they are absolutely convinced they have had adequate time for the natural flushing. BTY, the MB R-Class and ML are not Bluetec diesels only the E-Class is currently. Since the R-Class and ML are classified as trucks for fuel economy ratings they do not have to employ the Bluetec engines for emission purposes until 2010.
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Replying to: wopel (Jan 04, 2007 2:28 pm) I know you must love the mileage of your new R-Class diesel but I am really curious about the adequacy of the power given its weight. Does the diesel engine really have the power to smartly move the R? And what about when it is really loaded with passengers and/or cargo? I guess I am skeptical given the size of the R-Class. J
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Replying to: jamesfletcher2 (Feb 22, 2007 7:12 pm) I sweated it out with the ULSD fuel. Some stations had no idea what I was even asking for. I filled up at every possible chance, and usually didn't need too much, but the fear of not finding it was quite high! Now that the cargo top is off and the stuff out of the car I'm getting about 23.5 +/- mpg. Not bad for it's size. I still have no idea where the front of the car is! I'm getting to love the nav system. There's still a lot to get used to. I've been driving in the comfort mode and it ain't bad! |
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Replying to: jamesfletcher2 (Feb 22, 2007 6:59 pm) The only answer I have received so far, is that they are the SAME (although HP specs are different?). I've been told that the NAME "Bluetec" is only a marketing device which is applied to the E-class alone. In Europe it means the use of the urea additive. That urea additive (adblue?) will supposedly be used on future E-class models in the US to make them viable in all states. So, I don't actually KNOW the difference between CDI and Bluetec but have been told repeatedly that they are the same.... FWIW.
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