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Mercedes-Benz R-Class, Wagon
#465 of 697 Re: R-Class [chirp]
Apr 13, 2006 (10:15 pm)
Funny thing is most MB owners will pay more for a high-grade product and I was willing to pay considerably more for a unique and high-grade product. Unfortunately, lowering the price is not a fix for me at all and I equate this to like buying something at OVERSTOCK.COM.
This is true because Mercedes has never had a problem with selling cars at high prices when the car was worth it. The new S is a good example of that. It costs more than the W220 did when it came out and is selling better than it did and back then it was both the S430 and S500 doing the selling.
If Mercedes had just kept this R closer to the original concept in styling and interior design they wouldn't be able to produce enough of them. Ok the fancy doors and wheels would have to go in order to get to production, but that interior was stunning as was the first concept, the Vision GST. Seems they lost "sight" of that.
That said I've seen a few loaded R500s in that Alpine Rain color with the AMG package and they look good to me. Its the base models with the little wheels that don't looks so hot, IMO. I still the R can be fixed, but it may have to soldier on until facelift time for a real fix concerning the interior, but the price/equipment problem can be fixed for 2007 if MB gets serious about making this thing sell without so much "help".
#466 of 697 Re: R-Class [merc1]
Apr 14, 2006 (4:59 am)
I have seen, sat in, but not driven the new S. I think it is da bomb. Mercedes did everything right in my opinion and they should sell every one they can produce.
Once again, my disappointment comes from just what you have said about sticking closer to the concept and what they kept feeding me all along. I don't mean to rag on any of you who have bought the R at all and I hope I'm not coming across that way. I'm 51 with a 15 year old and a 9 year old and I thought I was in this targeted demographic.
Maybe I need to see an R63 to get excited. I just don't know... Sorry, guys.
#467 of 697 Re: R-Class [chirp]
Apr 15, 2006 (7:25 am)
I am with all those that feel duped by MB with the R. I had waited anxiously for the R to come out. I also read every, everything I could find. I was soooo hopeful. Then I saw it, drove it, was disappointed with so many aspects. Frankly, I need a car like the R, and if it had been the car I was waiting for, I'd have paid full dollar for it. At this point, they will have to pay me to buy it! I drive a 98 E320 wagon, and it's wonderful. I had a 300td before that. I'm not new to MB and my cars have been mostly trouble free. We also have 2002 E class that has had a few problems - none of which would stop me from buying another MB.
What was MB thinking when they built the R? If they had certain people in mind, and I think I was one of them, why did they not ask us? They must read forums - if not they should.
Thanks for letting me vent!
#468 of 697 Re: R-Class [wopel]
Apr 15, 2006 (9:31 pm)
Interesting thread. Although I agree with most of whats been said I must say that MB's misfire on the R-class has been my gain. Where else can you get a $60,000 vehicle at a Toyota Sienna lease price. Talk about value!! My wife absolutely loves it. We were waiting for the Audi Q7 but could not pass up the deal MB is offering right now. Does it look like..... a minivan? Slightly.....a glorified Pacifica? maybe. But let me tell you THIS IS NO PACIFICA. I owned one and the ride and luxuries of the R-class are beyond compare. One positive side effect of the MB misfire might be to attract NEW MB owners, albeit at a $$$ loss for now. Time will tell. THANK YOU MB!!!!
#469 of 697 Re: R-Class [mishmash1]
Apr 16, 2006 (10:56 am)
Can you go to IKEA with 5 kids and bring back 2 file cabinets and a desk home? A freind of mine just did that yesterday with a Sienna.
#470 of 697 Re: R-Class [wopel]
Apr 17, 2006 (7:25 am)
Hmmmmmmm. I am 43, 13/11 children, married. Traded wife's 98 E320 for R350 and I was driving a 82 300td with 70k miles on it until I leased a 350CLK recently. When I saw the R the first time, I called the wife to come see it. I bought it before I drove it (in my mind). I don't have a building supply hauler anymore.... but that is a good thing. hehehehehe
We are the same demo (before the CLK)so why would I buy and you not?
Why would you drive a wagon and not the R? It is easier to get in and out of, roomier, better suspension, safer.... The only draw back is backing it up. What are its shortcomings?
#471 of 697 Re: R-Class [ctsang]
Apr 17, 2006 (8:02 am)
Nope! You can't. But I drove a rental one of those in Breckenridge and I was scared. That FWD BS just stinks in the wet and snow. We were getting 3-5 inches per day and every time I got in it I hated it. All I could think was, " Man, I wish I had my R out here". 4WD plus the best traction control period coupled with those huge tires would have been heaven. I missed a concert in Aspen just because I was afraid of the drive over. The Hyatt in Beaver Creek used the R Class this season for their shuttle vehicles.
My view is that the other 364 days a year you would have to drive a Sienna.
#472 of 697 Re: R-Class [benzster]
Apr 17, 2006 (12:43 pm)
She lives in the Northeast and it is an XLE LTD AWD Sienna with blue-tooth, voice-activated navigation, laser cruise, back-up camera, traction control, vechicle stability control, parallel-parking assist, etc. It is a lot more and better vehicle than the R class 365 days a year by any measure.
#473 of 697 Re: R-Class [ctsang]
Apr 17, 2006 (2:47 pm)
by any measure.
So you don't want your rear passengers to be able to roll down their windows all the way or control their own A/C, audio component, heated seats... wait, does the Sienna offer rear heated seats?
Alls I'm sayin is, by any measure means ANY. I like the features you mentioned, but if it came down to voice activated controls over adjustable air suspension with double wishbone front arms etc.....
by any measure
except displacement, torque, and horsepower you mean.
I get it, camera over parktronic and voice activated over manual NAVI are the measure. Size matters to you and it is bigger. I can't argue that it is bigger.
So you drove both and hated the R?
#474 of 697 Re: R-Class [benzster]
Apr 17, 2006 (4:44 pm)
I guess what I really wanted was my wagon, but bigger. The R is bigger, but then it doesn't have a bench seat in the middle, and I don't care about hauling people (it's all about the dogs!), so I don't want the 3rd row of seats. In my 98 wagon the seats were not an option, but in my 300td they were, and I had more storage space. I want a bench seat so I can have the dog barrier. I don't want to spend money on a console.
I do especially like the idea of the 3 zone climate control. But going back to the wagon - I want roof rails. I do haul 4x8 sheets of things occasionally and I'm not going to put them in the car! I realize I can't have the roof rack/rails on the roof itself, due to the panaroma roof, but rails would be nice. Even some of the Pacificas have the rails. Thankfully my Thule roof box can most likely go on the car.
The options, options, options bug me - they aren't options, they're a must!
I wish it had the hood ornament so I could see where the front end started and ended, but no, I must opt for parktronic - YIKES!
I am the perfect demo for what MB had in mind, I just wish they had called me first!
I complain and I whine about it, and I'm arrogant in my choice of cars, but I don't see any other option! I need more space and I really want the added aircon, as we know, the Germans of old didn't do a very good job on air-conditioning!
The more happy R owners I read about, the closer I get! The next question is if I jump, do I wait for the 2007?