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Mercedes-Benz R-Class, Wagon
#229 of 697 Re: a few reviews [bauks]
Nov 14, 2005 (10:21 pm)
when is the new v8 coming out? wouldn't that make the resale on the present v8 pretty bad?
New V8 R550 (382hp) for 2007. We may get a 335hp 4.6L V8 R450 also, not sure about that. There should be a R320 CDI for 2007. Will likely hurt resale of the "old" V8 models being sold now.
I hope that for 2007 Mercedes makes some of these packages standard, especially on the R550. The R has one too many option packages imo. Air suspension and a power liftgate should be stanard on the R550 for that kind of money, among other things.
#230 of 697 Re: diss [markc5]
Nov 14, 2005 (10:24 pm)
I'm glad you like your R500. I have yet to see any on the road and I live in Benz country. Dealer here seems to have had the same 10 R's for weeks now. After looking at a lot of them in different colors I think it looks best in Alabaster or Pewter, even more so with the AMG package. I actually like the R-Class but it doesn't seem to be a hit like other Mercedes introductions.
#231 of 697 Re: diss [merc1]
Nov 15, 2005 (9:01 am)
Anybody else get the Harris email poll yesterday on the R-class from your MB dealer? I went to the site and participated in the poll. Lot's of questions regarding the seating layout, roominess, LOOKS and comparisons to other vehicles(that is to say they wanted you to directly compare it to other cars,vans,suvs,etc. and how you would USE the R-class).
Basically, I concluded that they were trying to figure out if you thought this is a kid hauler or adult hauler. They even had seating layouts with a second row bench and were looking for personal preferences.
Not sure what this is all about, but IMO sounds like they are trying to get a handle on this creation and if it is indeed satisfying the faction of the market they were intending it for.
#232 of 697 Re: diss [chirp]
Nov 15, 2005 (9:15 am)
I got one and was glad to see that MB is asking and listening. What a concept. The survey was a good one, and touched on key issues that have been discussed here.
Clearly they are not selling, as was further evidenced by an offer I got today from a local dealer willing to sell one at $500 over invoice, even built to spec (and including any incentives in place at time of delivery.)
#233 of 697 Re: diss [chirp]
Nov 15, 2005 (12:27 pm)
I got the Harris poll, also, and responded. It looks to me like MB is wondering about whether they should offer a 3 passenger 2nd row seat. I think they definitely should. Cutting the price about $10,000 wouldn't be a bad idea either.
#234 of 697 Re: diss [rcf8000]
Nov 15, 2005 (12:37 pm)
For me, the issue with the R is not about 6 vs. 7 seating (I think adding capacity in the rear would make it another uncomfortable 7 passenger vehicle.) I think that MB got the pricing/content equation totally wrong. How they think the market will accept a $50-plus "luxury" vehicle without standard luxuries such as memory seats, dimming mirrors and other content standard in MB's at that price point is beyond me. At the very least they should be offering the Comfort package as part of standard equipment. But I guess they are at least listening.
#235 of 697 Re: diss [albell]
Nov 15, 2005 (2:57 pm)
I agree that it will have to be loaded with all the extras to compete with the Pacifica Limited which comes with all the extras including BlueTooth, Sirius, memory seats, all heated seats, etc. That is the vehicle that should come stripped of the extras. I priced a Limited with a window price of $41.5 at $35. It is totally loaded. I was considering the R but now think it is too expensive.
#236 of 697 Can't Decide
Nov 16, 2005 (6:38 am)
We are trying to decide if we want to buy the R Class. We love the space inside, but will the car be around to trade in in 3-4 years? I have a 2002 ML 320 now and had a lot of problems with it. The dealer said he would help with the price of a new car to keep us and he has worked very hard, but I still have hesitations. The one they would love to sell is the Saks Fifth Avenue listed at $64,000. It has everything I want but the power lift gate and the dealer said he would make a better deal since it is on the lot. How much room in the price are the dealers giving on these cars? Don't you think that the same deal would be there if I waited for the right one to come in? We were going with the BMW 5 Series wagon until we drove the R-Class. The room in the R-Class is unbelievable. My husband is over 6 feet and he fits comfortably in the third row! My eyes say it is pretty, but my brain is holding me back. My employees say it looks like a pimp car.
#237 of 697 Re: Can't Decide [mejo]
Nov 16, 2005 (7:57 am)
Pimp Car? First time I heard that. You ask a lot of key questions and if reliability is an important one for you it will take some time to sort that one out with the new R. My '02 was also problem prone and I'm not so keen on Mercedes quality any more. In negotiating the price on these now, I would start at $500 over invoice(whether on the lot or ordered). Quite frankly, I would not pay any more than that at this point with the poor sales and cars piling up on the lots. That is my opinion of course and if you want to pay more to your dealer please do!
Go with your gut instinct. The 5 series wagon and the R-class are supposed to be world's apart. Buy what motivates you and will service your needs. Best of luck in your decision. For what it's worth, I'm 6'-3" and fit nicely in the last row of my wife's Sienna...
#238 of 697 Harris Poll
Nov 20, 2005 (10:35 am)
I also got one. My take on the poll is Mercedes is desperately trying to figure out what went wrong. This vehicle is just not moving anywhere close to the rates MB has assumed.
I agree with Albell that in this case, it is not 6 Vs 7 seats etc.. but the whole value concept / intended buyers is a disconnect. This vehicle should move to better price point with the expected amenities expected in a "touring" vehicle. $ 60K for "family" vehicle with V6 is just not a hot selling proposition. Both, standard content & price have to move to better equilibrium. I priced out R 500 and concluded that I rather put in a bit more and buy the S class .. Hell with the extra seatings that I may need sometime and will keep my E wagon for that.