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Re: Stay on the fence... [Mr_Shiftright] by golic
Feb 26, 2009 (8:26 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 26, 2009 6:47 pm)

Hey Mr. Shiftright -
 
You know what, you did everything right. Don't be mad. Everyone did their job, your dealership gave her a great price, next time you tell them let them know "you can lead a fish to water..."
 
The other dealership did their job as well, your friend should have known better.
 
I know how you feel. I have been a cpa specializing in corporate and personal taxes for over 15 years. I have a masters, I give speeches, I teach other cpa's, I can't tell you how many times I get a "friend" calling for some free advice..I get them a detailed answer. Then a few weeks later I ask them how it went, only to find out they discarded my advice because "joe" at the rotary club/bowling alley/garage said he could do it another way.
 
Hey, let it blow over and ask her to take you out for lunch in her new car...
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Re: Stay on the fence... [golic] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 27, 2009 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: golic (Feb 26, 2009 8:26 pm)

Oh I don't hold grudges. But I'm not going to give her car advice again. You know, when I engage my friends in the auto business, call 'em up and say "take care of so and so", well, they DO go out of their way---red carpet and all that. I can't expect them to GIVE things away to my friends but they do give them the very best treatment and an honest deal.
 
So after arranging all that and setting these mechanisms in motion, and "calling in a favor", to have it all tossed away by the friend is quite discouraging.
 
I had a similar thing last year. With tires. I set up for someone to go to an *excellent* tire place, that gives great service, free tire repairs, courtesy car, clean shop and waiting room, good prices, telephone follow ups, superb alignment equipment, the best balancing machines....
 
And what does the person do?
 
Stiffs them, and goes to Costco to save $19 a tire on an older Porsche. AND then have to get it aligned elsewhere. AND badly as it turns out.
 
Smack me on the head, why don't you?
 
To bring this all back to the topic at hand----don't just shop price, you have to shop SERVICE as well. Good service is translatable into dollars.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [Mr_Shiftright] by verdugo
Feb 27, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 26, 2009 5:36 pm)

and the woman is somewhat culpable
 
I'd say it's all her fault. The dealership was just trying to maximize profit. I'm not excusing their unethical behavior.
 
The customer is the one spending their money. It's their responsibility, and their responsibility only, to make sure they're not taken for a ride.
 
Sounds like your friend had the right idea by consulting with you, but didn't follow all your advice. Hope she learned her lesson, and tells everybody about this bad dealership.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [Mr_Shiftright] by verdugo
Feb 27, 2009 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 27, 2009 8:00 am)

don't just shop price, you have to shop SERVICE as well
 
You're right on the money.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [verdugo] by jipster
Feb 27, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: verdugo (Feb 27, 2009 9:35 am)

I'm not excusing their unethical behavior.
 
Without any details from shifty, it's a bit premature to say the dealership was being unethical. How much did this lady friend pay for the car? What dealer add-ons did she buy? How much did she pay for them? Did she have a need or want for what was sold? As has been said many times, the dealership tries to sell everybody that walks in the extras. They'd be dumb not to.
 
When I assisted my niece with her Hyundai purchase (looked at Kia), I advised her
to pass on the worthless dealer add-ons. Act as if they aren't even there when considering a price. She almost bit on the worthless alarm system add-on at the Kia dealership. Was nice that she listened to ole jip. I saved her a couple thousand bucks.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [Mr_Shiftright] by jipster
Feb 27, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 27, 2009 8:00 am)

You know, when I engage my friends in the auto business, call 'em up and say "take care of so and so", well, they DO go out of their way---red carpet and all that. I can't expect them to GIVE things away to my friends but they do give them the very best treatment and an honest deal.
 
The problem with the "honest deal" is it is just that, it's neither a great deal or a poor one... just decent. The dealerships definition of what a good deal is will always be a lot more $$$ than what a consumer thinks it should be. That is probably why your friend went somewhere else.
 
I have strong ties to two general managers at local dealerships. They think $600 over invoice is a fair and honest price for car x. I'm sure for the most part it is, as they have to look at all the overhead and expenses. But, when others are getting car x at $600 below invoice, and still getting good service, well it's a no brainer. The vast majority of the time one is better off financially going in to work their own deal, instead of a friends referral for them to be "taken care of".
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Re: Stay on the fence... [jipster] by golic
Feb 27, 2009 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: jipster (Feb 27, 2009 11:21 am)

Do they still sell VIN etching? I remember a few years ago, I was put through the ringer by my salesman, the SM and another guy about getting vin window etching.
 
They kept telling me I was foolish for passing up this service, that if my car was stolen this would make it sooo easy to get my car back.
 
My retort was listen, if my car is stolen I want the check from the insurance agency I don't want the car back!! And don't even get me started on pin stripping and wheel locks!
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Re: Stay on the fence... [Mr_Shiftright] by houdini1
Feb 27, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 27, 2009 8:00 am)

My wife and I have a friend like that. She has asked me for investment advice a couple of times and then would always find fault or want to argue with whatever I said.
 
I would like to help her, but now when she asks I just say, sorry, I don't have a clue.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [jipster] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 27, 2009 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Feb 27, 2009 11:35 am)

I think the point of me using the term "honest deal" was not so much a dollar amount, but the way she would have been treated at this dealership, at the time of sale and beyond.
 
Basically, to my mind, she traded away prompt service, courtesy, lack of strong arm tactics, clean waiting rooms, a thorough new car prep and demonstration, and prompt and fair warranty correction in the future, etc. for a lousy $300.
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Re: Stay on the fence... [jipster] by verdugo
Feb 27, 2009 (2:35 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Feb 27, 2009 11:21 am)

I meant unethical in that they quoted her a price that was too good to be true just to get her to come in.
 
I have no problem with them selling add ons.

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