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by wtd44
Feb 17, 2009 (1:04 pm)
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Today is "show time" for Chrysler and GM on Capitol Hill. Meanwhile, I have found a very appealing new Dodge 2009 Ram pickup at my local dealership. I find myself somewhat afraid to negotiate for it, even with the nearly 9K I think I can save from MSRP. Under the various scenarios we might conjure up as the avenues our domestic industry may soon travel, do you suppose making a deal now is definitely not a good idea?
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Re: [wtd44] by tidester HOST
Feb 17, 2009 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Feb 17, 2009 1:04 pm)

do you suppose making a deal now is definitely not a good idea?
 
Just a thought - if everyone keeps sitting on the fence, the auto industry will continue its downward slide. What they need more than government handouts is sales.
 
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Re: making a deal now [tidester] by wtd44
Feb 20, 2009 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Feb 17, 2009 2:00 pm)

I'm with you on this one, all the way. Actually, I traded in my 2004 Grand Cherokee Jeep for a 2009 Pontiac Vibe about ten months ago, when they came out early. I suppose I feel like I have done my part in support, although I would like to hit again, considering I sold my 1996 Chrysler about five months ago, and have not yet replaced it. The new Ram pickup is soooo nice...
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Re: making a deal now [wtd44] by tidester HOST
Feb 20, 2009 (9:33 pm)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Feb 20, 2009 7:00 pm)

The new Ram pickup is soooo nice.
 
It sounds like you're more than halfway there. Go for it!
 
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A deer-in-the-headlights look [tidester] by wtd44
Feb 25, 2009 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Feb 20, 2009 9:33 pm)

I am of the opinion that the public is not adequately informed concerning the risks of purchasing vehicles from the Big Three at this point in time. That is the major factor holding me back. Last spring when I bought the early-release 2009 Vibe, I was not concerned. Some ten months later, I am unsure on matters such as warranty enforcement. But because of some radio advertising, I stopped by a local Saturn dealership today. I inquired about the possibility of deep discounts under the current state of the economy and the state of GM. The salesman became quite obtuse and informed me that he had no idea what I was talking about. In short, I left the property wondering just what the future holds for the Big Three and us customers.
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Re: A deer-in-the-headlights look [wtd44] by tidester HOST
Feb 25, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Feb 25, 2009 2:17 pm)

That's just it. Uncertainty has been injected into the market so people tend to hold off purchasing which creates more uncertainty. A good dose of confidence would be great right about now.
 
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Re: A deer-in-the-headlights look [wtd44] by oldfarmer50
Feb 25, 2009 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Feb 25, 2009 2:17 pm)

"...I am unsure on matters such as warranty enforcement..."
 
I had the same thoughts last year when I bought a Mitsu. The media had them dead and buried in the US. I took a gamble, got a good price , and they're still here.
 
I think gamblers have a saying "scared money don't win".
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Stay on the fence... by omegagen
Feb 26, 2009 (1:19 am)
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because it is obvious that the price of cars, especially the big 3, are out of line with what people can/are willling to pay! This is a harsh statement..."I don't think many of the big 3 cars are worth $30K+." A few are, but most are not! Hence, that is just ONE reason of a list of many that is leading to their demise.
 
I've been in the market for a Dodge Charger, Daytona Edition or SRT-8, and although Dodge is offering huge discounts on the cars IMHO their still not worth what their asking. Why do I say that? Well, if the parent company is about to go bust where is the value in the product? It's just not there! I know we "think" we need the big 3 to survive, but the market is FORCING them to reorganize. The government can pour all the money in the galaxy on them, but it will be " pi$$in' on a forest fire"...let it burn! After the "fire" things will slowly become green again...it's has to happen! It'll hurt, but it will get better.
 
In conclusion, the dealerships I've come across are in such denial it's sad and scary. Three of the dealerships are still asking $29-34K for a leftover '08! The cars in 2008 stickered for $39K-41K. Now you say whoa! That's alot off, but actually the MSRP is out of line with what the market WANTS to pay. The correct MSRP is $30-32K, this is more in line with what it's worth...new. Of course, some will pay 39-40K, but MOST haven't and won't, therefore, they've come to this crossroad. Think about it for years the big three ALWAYS have the biggest rebates. Why? Because they weren't moving at their list price. Sure the foreign maufacturers offered rebate, but at most $1K off.
 
Well that's my take on this mess! Of course, it can't be ruled out that I am NUTS for considering a vehicle from a company that could possibly go bankrupt. Hey I like American V-8's!! Not trying to hijack the thread, but I was trying to stay with the flow of the posts.
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Re: A deer-in-the-headlights look [tidester] by imidazol97
Feb 26, 2009 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Feb 25, 2009 2:55 pm)

>Uncertainty has been injected into the market
 
That uncertainty has been intentionally increased and prolonged for political purposes in my opinion AND it has had an unintended consequence on the automotive market. The Tuesday night oratory included a criticism and indicated support of the US automakers and should increase confidence in their longevity. At least, I hope it does.
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Re: A deer-in-the-headlights look [wtd44] by imidazol97
Feb 26, 2009 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: wtd44 (Feb 25, 2009 2:17 pm)

>The salesman became quite obtuse and informed me that he had no idea what I was talking about.
 
Stop by your local Accord dealer or Lexus dealer and see if they're giving great discounts in these hard times. Nobody is selling what they were.

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