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#23 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 24, 2005 (10:19 am)
I think even a blind naked mole rat would choose Alfa styling over Caddy, but I digress...
#24 of 40 Alfa by merc1 Feb 24, 2005 (10:27 pm)
Yeah an Alfa-Romeo is lusty car even their sedans. Now Alfa is one brand that needs to come back to the U.S.   M
#25 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 25, 2005 (11:13 am)
Oy!   I think they've got to wait at least one more generation. I've still got a bad taste in my mouth from saying "Alfa" in the early 90's, and I didn't even own one.   Historically, though, yes, it'd be nice. The current styling is certainly more appealing than much of what's available here and now.   Support and service. That's just plain got to be ironed out well in advance, with a huge PR campaign before the cars ever even get shown here.   Too emotional?
#26 of 40 Wale_bate1 by merc1 Feb 25, 2005 (3:44 pm)
Nope, that is a spot on view of Alfa. Lusty but a pain in arse to own. They must fix that before even attempting to come here again.   You're right about their styling too. I can imagine how good their current lineup would look on our roads. Makes other cars, even some other European ones look like toasters.   M
#27 of 40 Hmmm..... back to the BTS by chris65amg Feb 26, 2005 (5:11 pm)
GM doesn't get it, apparently. In Europe (or at least in Ireland) the view of Caddy is that it's a big old car for old Texan guys who ran into some money. However, my uncle was drunk when he said that.... but I digress.   The point is that Caddy doesn't have much of a chance because it isn't what people want. The styling is a thin veil, and I don't think that the platform will impress too many. As a matter of fact, I think that it's silly that GM didn't root through their Australian subsidy or Subaru and make a Legacy knockoff.... ew, forget I said that. But a 9-3 platform "Epsilon" (silly name) doesn't sound too hot. Isn't that the one that's shared with the Chevy Malibu and Pontiac GTO? If Caddy want's to be a standard, this isn't the way to go.   Alfas. Did you see that concept that they had at that one auto show last year? Lusty lusty lusty. The scantily clad lady on the hood didn't hurt, of course. If Alfa exported to the U.S, that would be awesome. Even my mom would buy one, And she's a little old lady.
#28 of 40 BTS unveiling in Geneva by sportssedanman Feb 28, 2005 (8:43 pm)
can everybody say "Cimmaron" ? Not the move they needed and the best evidence that GM - and all of Detroit - just doesn't get it. Leave the CTS as the enty level Caddy, price-wise it competes with the 3-Series, TL, G35. Replies to this message: aldw (Mar 01, 2005 12:12 am) sportssedanman (Mar 01, 2005 7:12 pm)
#29 of 40 Re: BTS unveiling in Geneva [sportssedanman] by aldw Mar 01, 2005 (12:12 am)
Replying to: sportssedanman (Feb 28, 2005 8:43 pm) How is this a Cimmaron? Qualitatively it is as good as any car in its class. And how does Caddy not 'get it'? Prestige is not static by any means, otherwise the crappy reputations of the imports of the 1960s would have stayed. Just what is it that you think a Caddy should be anyhow? Replies to this message: sportssedanman (Mar 01, 2005 7:12 pm)
#30 of 40 by wale_bate1 Mar 01, 2005 (11:27 am)
CTS competes on price, but it's more a G35 and TL cross shop, and less a 3-series cross shop still. With the intro of the next, larger 3, that may change.   Anywho, a smaller Caddy would be welcomed be folks like me who see the CTS as too big and more along the lines of the 5-series for size and dynamics, but not this one.   A3 Sportback and 1-series look like the future of compact sport-lux from where I'm sitting.
#31 of 40 Re: BTS unveiling in Geneva [aldw] by sportssedanman Mar 01, 2005 (7:12 pm)
Replying to: aldw (Mar 01, 2005 12:12 am) why go lower on the scale ? in an effort to be all things to all people, Caddy is going to dillute the gains in prestige that they've made the past few years by going a notch down from the CTS.   sure, BMW sells a lot of 3-series, but with the new IS, the TSX, the G35, a tiny Audi on the way...isn't this a bit crowded for Caddy to enter.   If you want to improve your image, going downscale is not the way to do it. Caddy doesn't need to capture entry level buyers, it needs to get back the customers they've lost to Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Mercedes, Audi, and Jaguar in the past 15 years.   Caddilac was a brand that people aspired to have. An entry level spots car is not the way to get it, its a cheap attempt to extend the brand in a direction it doesn't need to go.
#32 of 40 BLS Purpose....... by merc1 Mar 01, 2005 (10:54 pm)
Guys you're missing the point of the BLS, it is for Europe where the CTS might be seen as too big compared to the market leaders C-Class, 3-Series and A4. It won't be sold here, and in Europe there is no Infiniti and the TSX is just a sporty "Honda" Accord.   M

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