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#11 of 40 Re: I'd rather... [wale_bate1] by kyfdx HOST Feb 09, 2005 (10:30 am)
Replying to: wale_bate1 (Feb 09, 2005 9:50 am) I don't follow the 1-series that closely, since it is at least 18 months away.. and the wife seems to think her next car is going to be an X3..   What is it with women and SUVs? She would die if she had to drive a wagon.. but, lift the wagon up six inches, and it is the greatest thing since sliced bread...
#12 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 09, 2005 (11:01 am)
To paraphrase a MitsuUS exec. (can't remember who it was; probably fired by now): "we used to build them boxy with a gate in the back and call them station wagons, and people would buy them because they needed station wagons. Now we build them boxy with a gate in the back and call them sport-activity-recreational-utility-hyper-crossover-vehicles and people buy them because they need station wagons..."   Now, if the "BTS" ended up a rockin' AWD sport wagon instead of just another sedan, well brother, I'm in line to see it up close and personal! Of course, they'd probably only give it to the Euro market...
#14 of 40 Yet another "BMW fighter" by gordonwd Feb 11, 2005 (10:24 am)
Shopping for my most recent car, everything I looked at claimed to be "as good as", "competitive with", "just like", or "the equivalent of" a BMW 3-series sedan. So after testing a number of them (TSX, 9-3, A4, etc.) I figured that maybe I should just go out and buy the car that they're all comparing themselves to -- and I did!     -- '04 BMW 3-series owner Replies to this message: wale_bate1 (Feb 11, 2005 1:03 pm)
#15 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 11, 2005 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: gordonwd (Feb 11, 2005 10:24 am) Whadya get Gordon?   Like they say, can't have competition without a benchmark!   Unfortunately in my nape of the timber, every butthead with a paycheck has a BMW, so you get kind of tired of them.   Wagons are a little different scenario. I tried the 325iT on for size, and against the IS300 Sportcross, it just didn't measure up. Ultra close, but just not quite there. In sedans, I think I might have come home with a 325i if a sedan was what I'd been after. Then again, maybe not.   I like having as much competition in the segment as possible. Much easier to find the right fit if there's more than one shoe to look at, and even BMW can't please everyone all the time.   It also keeps the benchmark on its toes, eh?
#16 of 40 by merc1 Feb 14, 2005 (12:02 am)
Well here it is, the BLS:   http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8120   A tarted up Saab. GM is really going to fall flat on their face in Europe with this thing.   M Replies to this message: sevenfeet0 (Feb 16, 2005 10:22 pm)
#17 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 14, 2005 (8:03 am)
OK, forget everything I said. The pic in R&T looked quite a bit different to me. This is CTS-Lite. Very lite.   I'm afraid you're right Merc: this has "Catera" written all over it.   Dear Caddy: don't bring this one home.
#18 of 40 Re: [merc1] by sevenfeet0 Feb 16, 2005 (10:22 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Feb 14, 2005 12:02 am) Why is GM going to fall flat with this one?   No one's even driven it and everyone seems to have an opinion. I'm not sure it's fair to say this car started as a Saab. It started as an Epsilon chassis, which Saab shares with a number of GM divisions. After that, you craft the styling to match stateside Caddies, add a selection of diesell and smaller gas engines and you get a pretty decent offering. Personally I think the car needs to be RWD or AWD to properly compete (Saab and Volvo can get away with offering FWD cars, but not Cadillac).   Anyway, once someone drives this thing, we'll see.
#19 of 40 by merc1 Feb 16, 2005 (10:35 pm)
Well you're right in a way, but I don't think Europeans are going to be fooled. Saying it started out as a Saab would probably be better than saying it started out as an "Epsilon chassis" which to me says that it started out even cheaper and on an even lower scale than a "Saab". I mean a Chevy and Pontiac share the same "architecture" as they're saying nowadays. I bet this car is huge flop like the Saab 9-7x and 9-2x are going to be here.   You're also right in the thinking that it should be rwd. Why GM didn't use that mean little Kappa platformed Holden concept is beyond me. It would have made a much more convincing small BMW/Merc/Audi rival. Unless they're doing something drastic under skin this BTS ain't gonna drive much different from the Saab or whatever its based on and in Europe they need this more than they do here.   This GM, Saab, Subaru orgy is a disgrace imo.   M
#20 of 40 by wale_bate1 Feb 17, 2005 (8:56 am)
I thought it was a potential synergy myself. I was all hot for the 9-2x, just as a concept. I saw one in the flesh finally last Thursday. This is silly. What looked to be a fair improvement over Subie's quirky styling in print falls flat in person, and there's hardly much incentive other than a styling upgrade to pop for the SAAB.   GM is unable to avoid pot-melting as opposed to platform sharing. Even Ford can do that better it seems...

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