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#8127 of 8140 Re: Mahindra diesel pick-ip...worth the wait? [webmartians] by agrawal Nov 02, 2009 (3:57 pm)
Replying to: webmartians (Oct 28, 2009 6:01 pm) Every new manufacturer entering in US market will have some trouble in beginning when dealer network is short listed. As for parts, look at BMW 760 or any high end model some time they have to wait to get the parts from Germany. My friend sold 760 after a year because of part trouble all the time.
#8128 of 8140 sorento diesel hybrid by dworthen Nov 08, 2009 (8:44 am)
I don't see anybody posting on the kia sorento diesel hybrid, that was at the 2009 frankfurt auto show. It is now being road tested in europe. I have a question for anybody who can answer. What's the difference between euro-v diesel passenger car standards and the eqiuvalent u.s. epa standards? ie ppm, co. so2, and so on. How much difference is there that keeps their diesels from meeting our govt's standards. By all means, read between the lines. Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 4:53 pm) dworthen (Nov 09, 2009 6:35 am) alltorque (Nov 09, 2009 7:36 am)
#8129 of 8140 Re: sorento diesel hybrid [dworthen] by gagrice Nov 08, 2009 (4:53 pm)
Replying to: dworthen (Nov 08, 2009 8:44 am) I have tried to get the exact data that you are looking for. It seems that EPA/CARB is always one step ahead of the Euro emissions. And one step behind the EU on quality of the fuel. Especially ULSD. There is a chance they may come closer together some day. For now we just have to wish for high mileage diesel vehicles to reach the lofty heights set by CA for the rest of the World to build to. Unfortunately MPG is not in the criteria for cleaner air. Even though lower CO2 is one of the benefits of higher MPG. Keep in mind that gasoline is still a byproduct that the oil companies need to get rid of when refining crude oil. We are stuck with gasoline for as long as we have petroleum based fuel. Replies to this message: dworthen (Nov 09, 2009 6:35 am) alltorque (Nov 09, 2009 7:36 am)
#8130 of 8140 Re: sorento diesel hybrid [gagrice] by dworthen Nov 09, 2009 (6:35 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2009 4:53 pm) It does appear that the EU rates pollution by km driven. That sorento diesel hybrid makes 119g/km of co2. I think it's in testing to tweak the drive train and software. It may go into production in 2011. We probably won't see it. Kia's keeping most of the info close to the chest. What I find strange is that very few people are talking this vehicle or concept up! Kia just spent 1.2B dollars on a new plant in georgia to produce the new sorento. From what I've read 90% of the vehicle content will be produced within a 25 mile radius of the plant. Maybe we'll get to see more of the diesel hybrid at the L.A. auto show. http://www.kia-world.net/index.php/2009/09/15/kia-sorento-diesel-hybrid/ Here's a link to one of the articles. Replies to this message: alltorque (Nov 09, 2009 7:36 am)
#8131 of 8140 Re: sorento diesel hybrid [dworthen] by alltorque Nov 09, 2009 (7:36 am)
Replying to: dworthen (Nov 09, 2009 6:35 am) No info on the Sorrento diesel hybrid, I'm afraid. Yes, the EU does, indeed, rate CO2 output on km driven : gm/km as previously stated.   Here's some comparisons :   My '06 Volvo S60 D5 : 199 gm/km (that's a 2.4 Turbodiesel 185bhp)   VW Polo 1.4 TDi Bluemotion ; 99   Smart ForTwo 0.8D : 88   Toyota Yaris 1.4 D-4D : 109   Toyota Prius 1.5 gasser hybrid : 104   Ford Fiesta 1.6 TDCi : 110   Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi (136bhp) : 144   Audi A3 2.0 TDi 170bhp : 148   Audi Q7 3.0 TDi : 260   BMW 335D : 177 (282bhp)   BMW 330i gasser : 173 (268bhp)   BMW 120D : 128   Jaguar XF 3.0D : 179   Lexus IS 220D : 148   Vauxhall/Opel Astra 1.9 CDTi : 149   Cadillac CTS 3.6 gasser : 264   Corvette ZO6 : 350 (not exactly a surprise !)   MINI Cooper 1.6D : 109   Rolls Royce Phantom : 377 not bad considering..............   So, 119gm/km for a small diesel hybrid is just not that exciting.
#8132 of 8140 Emissions Comparison by 104wb Nov 09, 2009 (9:22 am)
Standard Year NOx PM pre-reg 1974 2.25 1.0 CA Tier1 2003 0.37278 0.049704 Euro4 2005 0.25 0.025 Euro5 2008 0.2 0.005 CA ULEV 2003 0.18639 0.024852 Japan 2005 2005 0.14 0.013 Tier2Bin8 2006 0.125 0.0125 Japan'09&Euro6 2009 0.08 0.005 Tier2Bin5 2008 0.043491 0.006213   I'm sorry, I couldn't get this to format at all. The comparison is NOx and PM in grams per mile. These are the only two of the regulated emissions where diesels are not superior to gasoline engines (HC, CO, etc. are already better for the diesel). Tier2Bin5 is federal, but corresponds to one of the CA levels, basically 'price of entry' into the CA market, and the 'me too' states. Any of these recent regs are a order of magnitude improvement from where we were in the '70s. The differences between recent Euro, Japan, US regs are peanuts compared to where we came from (plot them out x-y, include the pre-regulation values, and the need for US regs to differ from Europe's looks very silly). Japan wisely commonizes with Euro regs; Japan '09 and Euro 6. Our Tier2Bin5 is still more strict on NOx than Euro6 (comes out in 2012?), so: no diesels for you! Replies to this message: 104wb (Nov 09, 2009 9:32 am)
#8133 of 8140 Re: Emissions Comparison [104wb] by 104wb Nov 09, 2009 (9:32 am)
Replying to: 104wb (Nov 09, 2009 9:22 am) grams per kilometer, not grams per mile...
#8134 of 8140 ... BMW, to Introduce Strong Four Cylinder Diesel by roland3 Nov 11, 2009 (8:37 pm)
... The engine is expected to be seen by many people as a replacement for a six cylinder Diesel. Go to: http://autoblog.com
#8135 of 8140 Diesel Sedans by moparbad Nov 13, 2009 (6:21 pm)
Diesel Sedans BMW 335d and VolkswagenJetta TDI WSJ
#8136 of 8140 20th birthday of TDI at Audi by moparbad Nov 20, 2009 (8:52 am)
20th B-Day of TDI Audi   Already 20 years of TDI, wow!

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