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Replying to: john1701a (Oct 19, 2009 11:54 pm) The Prius is still far from as clean as CARB is proposing. They want nothing less than ZEV. Even a PHEV Prius will not be close to that. It is all a game of diminishing returns. So enjoy what you consider to be a reasonable vehicle while you can. 10 MPG in the city is nothing to give up for a much finer handling vehicle with higher quality interior and exterior design and materials. Plus Toyota needs to address their runaway acceleration issues before they kill a lot more people. Make mine diesel!
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 20, 2009 5:53 am)
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Replying to: john1701a (Oct 20, 2009 7:27 am) Get back to us when Prius goes 9500+ miles around the USA covering every one of the 48 states at better than 67.9 MPG. Flat land mileage records are meaningless.
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 20, 2009 8:36 am) Your post again points out the fact that "no one car is perfect for EVERY situation" and again it promotes the need for a "diesel electric hybrid car" which would give the BEST of BOTH worlds. Are you listening, VW? Audi? MB? We want/need a commercially viable diesel/electric 5-passenger hybrid sedan.
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 20, 2009 8:46 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 20, 2009 9:07 am) We need a diesel hybrid which excels at city AND highway mileage. Heck, Chrysler did it in a concept car more than 12 years ago - the technology IS available. But I guess the economics are still questionable. And we know, it's always about the almighty dollar. |
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Replying to: john1701a (Oct 19, 2009 11:54 pm) |
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Replying to: dmax06 (Oct 14, 2009 10:28 am) |
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What will all the tree hugging envinromental activitists EV lovers do when there is no electricity to charge their zero emissions vehicle? According to the short piece below, from Automative Magazine, as few as 3 EV's in one neighborhood will overload the grid. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Could electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids tax our existing power grid to the point of failure? According to Peter Darbee, CEO of the Pacific Gas & Electric Corporation, the answer is yes. As few as 3 EVs in a single neighborhood could "overwhelm the circuits." According to Darbee, a single vehicle drawing power from a 220-volt outlet is akin to adding another house to the grid. Darbee also expects EV owners to plug in at similar times, especially if they're returning home during typical rush hours. "You would create a peak load on top of the peak load," he said. "What happens if three to five vehicles show up in one neighborhood? You're going to overwhelm the circuits."
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Replying to: repoman1 (Oct 21, 2009 6:53 am) 1. Adding a plug-in car to the grid is equal to about a third of a house. And not many people are going to have an "extra" 220 volt plug in the garage - most have 1, and their dryer is using it. Automakers will provide us with 110 V charging cars. 2. Like anything else new, early adopters will have to be "trained" to plug their cars in later in the evening, rather than when they first get home. 3. Automakers are already planning for this: Ford's new vehicle-to-grid software program allows the driver to "to accept a charge only during off-peak hours between midnight and 6 a.m. when electricity rates are cheaper, or when the grid is using only renewable energy such as wind or solar power." So not only could you minimize your electricity costs by charging only when its least expensive, but you could also minimize your CO2 emissions (if you don't already get 100% of your electricity from green power, that is). 4. There already pilot systems in place where the electric cars FEED BACK INTO THE GRID during peak hours, then start re-charging themselves after peak hours. 5. The main thing is that electric cars will NOT "boom" immediately upon the release of the first vehicles. The grid, software, and battery hardware will have time to "catch up" before the number of electric or PHEV cars reaches critical mass in regard to the grid. They are not going to sell a million cars the first year. If they sell 50,000 over the first year or two I would be surprised. Worry not your pretty little heads about electric cars overwhelming the grid. That ain't gonna happen. "I got 99 problems and the grid ain't one."
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