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8147 messages, Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 8:22 PM
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While ULSD ( 15 ppm to 5 ppm) is vilified for so called being "dirty" DIESEL, look what it is for CA regular unleaded GAS ((aka, RUG) ..."The State of California recognized the benefit of reducing sulfur in gasoline on the emission control of existing vehicles and the need for low sulfur fuel to optimize the performance of new vehicles designed to meet the stringent LEV Program Standards. As a result, California, in establishing its Phase 2 reformulated gasoline requirements, set an averaging unit of 30 ppm and acap of 80 ppm sulfur in gasoline."... The so called CLEAN RUG to PUG 30 ppm to 80 ppm) is 2 x's, up to 16 x's dirtier than ULSD (15 ppm to 5 ppm . !!!! link title Boy were we mis informed !!! As previously posted, the use of GDI will require a max of 30 ppm (unleaded gas) and lower to keep emissions control equipment damage to a minimum. This of course would dramatically increase the capital investments for both equipment AND cost per gal of RUG to PUG !!! It is looking like in the preliminary research the GDI (major benefit is better fuel mileage) a DPF LIKE system for gassers . It will probably be the similar cost !!!! 
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 14, 2009 3:22 pm) It is amazing the link is titled in "plain" English. So importers and refiners can actually use "CREDITS" to "satisfy the INTENT of a 90 ppm to 30 ppm gasoline sulfur "compliance". So how many consumers really "KNOW" what their particular bought gasoline REALLY IS !!?? (aka, is it INDEED 90 ppm ? and ONLY "credited" down to 30 ppm !!?? The 90 ppm (credited" to 30 ppm is telling as compared to the ULSD of 15 to 5 ppm. The RANGE of allowed sulfur ppm is GREATER than what ULSD is mandated to BE !!?? So again the "reality" makes gasoline up to 18 x dirtier (90 ppm/5) than ULSD !!!??? For all the vilification D2 has received, hardly anyone has questioned the higher sulfur ppm of unleaded gasoline !!?? |
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"Indian diesel pickup truck to go on sale in U.S. later this year" http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2009/07/68494450/1 What, no comment on the new diesel pickup! Somebody is falling down on the job. I know it is not a VW Jetta TDI, but is likely to be a bit more groundbreaking. Mahindra, those folks make tractors......I wonder, will John Deere or Case be next with a diesel pickup??? Ya know, it sort of makes sense...buy all your farm vehicles under one roof. I also find it odd that they don't seem to be worried about meeting the emissions requirements.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 15, 2009 1:00 pm) We were waitng for someone like... U... to to finally step up and admit the 50 state legal gig is (a bunch of hoey) (wizard of oz) , especially when an "upstart" Indian "third" world manufacturer can EASILY comply with the standards !!??... My guess is urea also !!?? It would be a SMASH LOW $20,000's or so and with 36 mpg (real world) !! I understand in passing , 150 or so hp and 300# ft of torque !!?? Clean em and fry em, ah huh !!! This might be Gagrice's cup of tea. By the picture, it is ugly enough to catch on !!  ...But if they sell 60,000 of these the first year???... Or more PC: its distinctive styling cues are sure to garner a loyal market following !!! With 36 (2016 35.5 mpg standard) , simply smashing! (In my best British accent)  They might totally surprise folks by bringing even faster product and quality improvements than certainly the Japanese; of late, even the South Koreans !! Now a real sleeper would be a Cummins turbo diesel, 6 spd manual (tremec 6066) in a... Buick...... 35-45 mpg !!?? Yes Sir ree !!
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 15, 2009 1:00 pm) http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef579bb/7788#MSG7788
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 15, 2009 1:15 pm)  I'm not sure they are "third" world anymore. The proof will be in the execution of the product. Trying to sell 60,000 in North America might be a stretch. I would consider them a success if the sell 1,000 a month. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 15, 2009 5:39 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 15, 2009 5:39 pm) Just the Jetta TDI model is selling 40% in June 09 3,372 units. Arguably the (small) PU truck market is far broader and deeper. So 60,000 units would be 5,000 units per month (purely a swag on my part, I have NO inside information) .
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 15, 2009 2:47 pm)
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