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GM & diesel cars by jimlockey
Jul 13, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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Lutz has no other choice. GM's union agreement says no diesel cars can be imported into the US.
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Loving the price of diesel fuel by winter2
Jul 13, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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In Germantown, MD at the "W Express" (no relation to last idiot president).
 
Diesel #2: 2.339
E85: 2.359
RUG: 2.459
 
Everything else past 2.609.
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Re: GM & diesel cars [jimlockey] by ruking1
Jul 13, 2009 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: jimlockey (Jul 13, 2009 3:47 pm)

..."GM's union agreement says no diesel cars can be imported into the US. "
 
I guess one of the bosses has spoken.
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Look what's... by ruking1
Jul 13, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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NOT coming to the US market Mazda6 Diesel Sports Hatch
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Re: Look what's... [ruking1] by gagrice
Jul 13, 2009 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 13, 2009 4:52 pm)

We've now driven both petrol and turbodiesel versions of the latest 6 (for our launch coverage see here) for extended periods. Though not back-to-back, the time behind the wheel of each was within a short enough 'window' to allow us to confidently state the oiler's the pick.
 
I would guess the diesel would top the gasser in just about every instance they are offered. Could be why in the EU diesel cars are now at 70% of new car sales. You can see why the Feds want to keep US in the dark when it comes to diesel vehicles. I thought the writer had a good handle on the cars we are sold from Japan.
 
You'd never mistake the Mazda6 for anything other than a Japanese car. That said, of all the Oriental midsizers it's the one that most closely resembles its competition from the Continent... And not just because it's available with an excellent turbodiesel drivetrain.
 
Where its archrival, the Honda Accord Euro, has a dash that's all buttons and knobs (in the best tradition of Japanese household appliances) and Toyota's Camry presents a swathe of metalised plastic, the 6 has a considerably more resolved interior. The dash itself is simple rendered and there's been remarkable restraint used in the design of the controls and combating the proliferation of lights and buzzers.
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Revelation! Buy a diesel and save... by moparbad
Jul 14, 2009 (5:01 am)
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article in Wired - Buy a diesel (or hybrid) and save
 
The Volkswagen Jetta TDI (pictured) took the trophy with a five year cost savings of $6,210 over the gas-burning Jetta and an MSRP premium difference of $2,070.
 
Now, tell us something we don't already know.
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Re: Revelation! Buy a diesel and save... [moparbad] by ruking1
Jul 14, 2009 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Jul 14, 2009 5:01 am)

AMEN !!
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Re: Revelation! Buy a diesel and save... [moparbad] by ruking1
Jul 14, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Jul 14, 2009 5:01 am)

Less we take it on BLIND faith, (no, we don't) let me bore you all with the latest math.
 
2009 Jetta, 24 mpg, RUG $ 2.83 = .1179 cents (per mile driven)
 
2009 Jetta, 24 mpg, PUG $ 3.03 = .1263 cents
 
2009 Jetta TDI (I get 42.5 mpg), D2 $ 2.71=.06376 cents (per mile driven)
 
RUG = 85% more than D2 (per mile driven)
PUG = 98% more than D2
 
Burning 76% more is MUCH better for the environment!!??
 
Now if you had (i.e.,) a like model Prius DIESEL hybrid, in theory it would be the analogous (similar/the same) !!
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ULSD by ruking1
Jul 14, 2009 (12:29 pm)
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel
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Dirty dirty dirty.... by ruking1
Jul 14, 2009 (3:22 pm)
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While ULSD ( 15 ppm to 5 ppm) is vilified for so called being "dirty" DIESEL, look what it is for CA regular unleaded GAS ((aka, RUG)
 
..."The State of California recognized the benefit of reducing sulfur in gasoline on the emission control of existing vehicles and the need for low sulfur fuel to optimize the performance of new vehicles designed to meet the stringent LEV Program Standards. As a result, California, in establishing its Phase 2 reformulated gasoline requirements, set an averaging unit of 30 ppm and acap of 80 ppm sulfur in gasoline."...
 
The so called CLEAN RUG to PUG 30 ppm to 80 ppm) is 2 x's, up to 16 x's dirtier than ULSD (15 ppm to 5 ppm . !!!! link title
 
Boy were we mis informed !!!
 
As previously posted, the use of GDI will require a max of 30 ppm (unleaded gas) and lower to keep emissions control equipment damage to a minimum. This of course would dramatically increase the capital investments for both equipment AND cost per gal of RUG to PUG !!! It is looking like in the preliminary research the GDI (major benefit is better fuel mileage) a DPF LIKE system for gassers . It will probably be the similar cost !!!!

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