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This Skoda Yeti CUV comes with THREE diesel options. None of which we will see here in the third World of automotive choices. How much oil would we save with soccer mom's getting 35-40 MPG combined instead of 15 MPG? 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 25, 2009 4:45 am) Choice here in Europe is basically which body you'd like wrapped around your favourite small diesel. Oh what a hard life. 
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I have not done this for a bit, so here goes. If you see a negative number it indicates that diesel is cheaper. The numbers are based on the State averages from AAA (06/25/09 02:58 AM). Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why diesel is more expensive in only Alaska and Hawaii (D2 vs. PUG)? My guess would be a refinery/transportation issue. Or maybe taxes...in Hawaii they might try and keep the RUG/PUG price down for the tourists.. And for whatever reason, Montana seems to have the best diesel price when compared to RUG & PUG. State RUG/D2 PUG/D2 Alaska 15.9% 3.6% Alabama 0.0% -9.1% Arkansas -0.4% -11.3% Arizona -2.5% -11.6% California -5.4% -12.6% Colorado -0.6% -11.1% Connecticut 0.9% -9.4% District of Columbia 6.3% -3.1% Delaware 1.2% -8.8% Florida -0.7% -10.0% Georgia 0.2% -10.8% Hawaii 28.8% 19.6% Iowa 0.2% -9.2% Idaho 0.8% -7.1% Illinois -3.6% -13.1% Indiana -2.6% -11.9% Kansas 1.5% -4.9% Kentucky -3.2% -13.6% Louisiana -1.4% -11.6% Massachusetts 1.2% -9.3% Maryland 1.3% -7.1% Maine -1.2% -10.9% Michigan -1.8% -10.9% Minnesota 1.1% -5.3% Missouri 0.2% -9.0% Mississippi -0.8% -10.0% Montana -6.0% -14.0% North Carolina -1.9% -11.4% North Dakota -3.7% -10.2% Nebraska -1.5% -6.3% New Hampshire -0.3% -11.1% New Jersey -0.3% -10.4% New Mexico -1.5% -11.4% Nevada -3.3% -11.5% New York 0.8% -7.7% Ohio 0.9% -9.0% Oklahoma -1.2% -9.5% Oregon -4.8% -11.1% Pennsylvania 3.2% -6.2% Rhode Island 0.7% -8.4% South Carolina 0.0% -10.3% South Dakota -3.1% -12.5% Tennessee 0.0% -9.8% Texas -0.2% -9.0% Utah 0.8% -8.4% Virginia 1.1% -7.2% Vermont 1.7% -9.4% Washington -3.5% -11.3% Wisconsin -2.0% -9.8% West Virginia -1.0% -9.8% Wyoming -2.3% -12.0%
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 1:22 pm) http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/upload/State_MotorFuel_ExciseTax_Summary- _4-2009.pdf |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 7:59 am) That was not a mistake. He just needs to get himself a good gasser.  http://www.detnews.com/article/20090628/OPINION03/906280303/1148/auto01/557+000+- miles+on+her+Chariot "Sweet old Rachel Veitch of Orlando, Fla., could be the ruination of the automobile industry. But at least she's cute. When GrowingBolder.com first interviewed her, she was 89 years old and had 540,000 miles on her 1964 Mercury Comet Caliente. Now she's 90, still packing a sharp tongue and a stubby pistol, and the odometer has clicked past 557,000."
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 28, 2009 7:25 am) Now if the fools would build a mid size P/U and SUV with a 3 L diesel that would return 30 + MPG the world would be a better place.
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 28, 2009 8:17 am) Indeed as much righteous indignation that the anti diesel set can muster any car that HAS to be retired under 500,000 miles is... wasteful..... 
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Automakers scrap diesel plans Richard Truett Automotive News June 29, 2009 - 12:01 am ET Mainstream carmakers have put the brakes on nine diesel-powered vehicles that had been scheduled for 2010. Honda, Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, Nissan and Toyota have halted diesel programs because of spiraling costs and other problems. Financial problems halted the programs at some companies. Others, like Toyota Motor Corp., are looking elsewhere for fuel economy. "We are banking heavily on hybrids," said Toyota spokesman Curt McAllister. Only German automakers — Volkswagen, Audi, Mercedes-Benz and BMW — have followed through with plans to launch U.S. diesels on time. Most German diesels are in premium vehicles similar to vehicles built in large numbers for Europe and other markets. That volume reduces development and production costs per vehicle. A diesel engine typically delivers fuel economy 20 to 30 percent better than that of a gasoline engine. But a diesel can add between $3,000 and $8,000 to a vehicle's price. Costly components include the turbocharger, the high-pressure fuel injection system and the complex emissions system, which is filled with precious metals. That cost seems to be a barrier for the mass-market brands. Still, the new German diesels are selling well. The price of diesel fuel may be a factor. It has dropped from its high last summer of $4.85 per gallon — considerably more than gasoline — to $2.63 last week, a few pennies less than a gallon of regular gasoline. 'Cost-benefit' problem Bernd Bohr, chairman of the automotive group at Germany's Robert Bosch GmbH, knows costs have to come down. Bosch, the world's largest supplier of diesel fuel injection systems, supplies all the new German diesel-powered vehicles in the United States. "It's always a question of the cost-benefit relationship," Bohr told Automotive News recently. Just one part of some diesels' emissions system — urea injection — can add $1,000 to the cost of the vehicle. A turbocharger, high-pressure fuel injection system and diesel particulate filter pump up the price, too. Bohr said Bosch is attacking the cost problem in at least two areas: reducing the amount of oxides of nitrogen, or NOx, produced in the engine — which means a smaller amount of expensive precious metals are needed in the emissions system — and standardizing parts for larger production runs. Bohr thinks manufacturers eventually will be able to sell vehicles with six-cylinder diesel engines of about 3.0 liters profitably and in high volumes in the United States. "Maybe some of the projects our customers had in the past, maybe V-8s, were a little oversized in today's world," he said. "They are now looking at six-cylinders, maybe 3.0-liter diesel engines. That could be something very much worthwhile for the American market." Bias toward hybrids? Kevin McMahon, a partner at the Martec Group, a consulting firm, says the way the EPA calculates fuel economy and carbon dioxide standards gives gasoline-electric hybrids an unfair advantage over diesels. In 2006, the EPA revised the way it determines real-world, "window sticker" fuel economy to reflect U.S. driving patterns. The EPA's new sticker rulemaking assumes Americans drive 43 percent of their miles in city conditions and 57 percent on the highway. But under fleet average standards for corporate average fuel economy and CO2, vehicles are certified using 35-year-old test weighting of 55 percent city and 45 percent highway driving. "Diesel vehicles that perform very well at high-load and high-speed driving — where most of America's fuel is used in the real world — are penalized," says McMahon. "Meanwhile, vehicles that perform very well in stop-and-go driving, like hybrids, are overrewarded." The image of the diesel engine may be one reason Toyota has halted its plans. Says McAllister: "One of the obstacles of the diesel is the aged perception that the diesel is smoky and stinky. It's hard to change the mind-set of consumers. Hybrid technology has such a clean halo to it." link title |
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"One of the obstacles of the diesel is the aged perception that the diesel is smoky and stinky. It's hard to change the mind-set of consumers. Hybrid technology has such a clean halo to it." Wow, isn't that all warm and fuzzy.
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jul 02, 2009 5:25 pm)
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