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Re: Clean diesel [avalon02wh] by ruking1
Jun 21, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 21, 2009 7:53 am)

"So I guess California got it right after all. The world did not end when they made diesel engines comply with emissions standards. "
 
Well it does beg the (current ) question: why does CA STILL mandate 2 to 6 times dirtier air ???? (than it has to be)
 
They are a minimum of 31 years behind the times. They could have "HAD" those dropped those figures
 
"New diesel trucks and buses cut soot and smog more than 90%"
 
easily 31 years ago, the same time CA first mandated the switch to UN leaded gas for the passenger vehicle fleet. So what would be your calculation of 31 years of 97% less emissions????
 
The actual figure, standard wise is 97% ( LSD 500 ppm / ULSD 15 ppm) Indeed if they made bio diesel a viable economic alternative/option (for the big rigs; trucks and buses) , they could have it down even lower 99%(>5 ppm to ZERO ppm which essentially would mean the air is 30 x dirtier than it would have to be (using 1 ppm/30 ppm) We can actually use (point).5 ppm and the figure would now be 60 x dirtier.
 
On the other "hand in glove" topic of diesel cars (since I would assume most of us do not drive diesel big rigs/buses) , as a comparison, RUG to PUG is STILL 30 ppm or a MINIMUM of 2x DIRTIER than ULSD (15 ppm) diesel. So with CA having 98% RUG to PUG (almost mandated) the air is least 2 x to a more normal 6 x dirtier (If bio diesel were used, and in a greater population of diesel cars...) air than it has to be, if more passenger car diesels both volume and percentage were allowed.
 
CA still allows bunker oil (3000 to 5000 ppm ) to be burned at all shipping levels, and with NO emissions devices CA still allow jet fuel to be up to 3000 ppm. Aviation fuel users require no emission devices, and leaded fuel is still the norm.
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Re: GTD [jlbl] by alltorque
Jun 21, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jun 20, 2009 1:12 pm)

Jose, You're right; the Cupra and FR variants are both up there with the best. Body design leaves the rest of the VAG outfits struggling some way behind.
 
Correction to me previous post - the Skoda Yeti is actually Golf-based and comes in FWD or AWD flavours.
 
Shane neither SEAT nor Skoda will make it across the water.
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Re: Clean diesel [ruking1] by roland3
Jun 21, 2009 (11:09 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 21, 2009 8:41 am)

... CARB and EPA are just waking up to the fact that there might be some benefit to burning less fuel, after 35 years with no regard to fuel volume. If it were not for the environmentalists pushing for less carbon output, I would have to wonder if we would ever have a spec for carbon per mile. All previous measurement specs were for tailpipe quality with no regard for quantity, and usually resulted in much greater carbon output.
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Re: Clean diesel [roland3] by ruking1
Jun 22, 2009 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 21, 2009 11:09 pm)

Right the literal translation to this is very easy to illustrate. It is better to get 12 mpg on a RUG to PUG SUV than 49 mpg on a diesel Jetta......new car sales of one were banned for a number of years.....
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Re: Clean diesel [ruking1] by jkinzel
Jun 22, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 22, 2009 6:45 am)

My guess is; sell more volume, get more taxes. Diesels = less volume, less taxes.
 
No other logic holds water.
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Re: Clean diesel [jkinzel] by ruking1
Jun 22, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 22, 2009 9:14 am)

Indeed, low cost per mile driven (fuel). All I did was run the recent (current) numbers (on another thread- VW Jetta TDI ) and RUG- PUG is (per mile driven (fuel) 107 -122 % more than diesel for a LIKE model car. In the example I used 03 VW Jetta's 2.0 RUG, 1.8T PUG, 1.9TDI D2.
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Good news for diesel fans by larsb
Jun 23, 2009 (6:50 am)
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Diesel sniffers unite:
 
Drop in diesel fuel prices brings sharp rise in U.S. sales
 
The dramatic decline in diesel fuel prices is driving up U.S. sales of diesel-powered vehicles from European carmakers.
 
Volkswagen dealers across the country say they can't get enough of the Jetta TDI sedan or station wagon.
 
"Things have changed, and diesel Jettas are moving. I want more," says Casey Gunther, owner of two VW stores in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
 
On Tuesday, June 16, the average nationwide price for a gallon of diesel was $2.60, according to AAA. That compared with $2.67 for regular unleaded gasoline and $2.94 for premium.
 
A year ago, when diesel hit $4.85 a gallon, European manufacturers wondered how they would sell their new crop of 50-state diesel vehicles, which began arriving last year. VW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz and BMW all sell 50-state diesels in the United States.
 
Volkswagen sold 3,862 diesel Jettas in May, up from 2,253 in April.
 
"We would expect equal or higher sales of diesels this month," a VW spokesman says.
 
About 36 percent of total Jetta sales in May were diesels, compared with an average of 30 percent earlier in the year, the spokesman says.
 
Volkswagen says demand for the Jetta SportWagen is particularly strong.
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Re: Good news for diesel fans [larsb] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2009 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 23, 2009 6:50 am)

Most folks still like to pay a LOT MORE (107 to 122% more ) for RUG to PUG !!??
 
( in like model cars (i.e., 03 Jetta's 2.0, 1.8T)
 
It does need to be said that most OEM's do not offer "like model" diesel options.
 
While the 09 Jetta TDI gets (a not bad) 39-45 mpg, I am led to believe it is more like 24 mpg for the gasser versions, with ap 29# ft of torque less. So in this case 76.4% MORE
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Re: Good news for diesel fans [larsb] by gagrice
Jun 23, 2009 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 23, 2009 6:50 am)

It should be a popular model for the cash for clunker bill. If you are trading in an 18 MPG vehicle, there are not many non hybrid choices in mid size that get 28 MPG combined. In fact there may not be ANY mid sized gasser that gets 28 MPG. Makes the VW TDI an obvious choice.
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Re: Good news for diesel fans [larsb] by bigmclargehuge
Jun 23, 2009 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 23, 2009 6:50 am)

Very good news!
 
Just wish they'd show how many 335d's have been ordered so far.
 
I like the car, I just don't want to be one of only a few hundred owning the car.
 
That's like owning an RS6 (only ~900 sold in the US). Depreciation, warrantee, service, finding buyers... all becomes difficult when your car is rare. At least from the examples I've looked into.

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