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Replying to: larsb (Jun 12, 2009 1:12 pm)   And of course you aren't saying that you never have to replace rotors, brake pads, tires, etc? |
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Fender-benders in microcars can be costly By Ken Thomas link title |
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I see James Healey did a piece on the Diesel Audi Q7 TDI http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2009-06-11-test-drive-audi-q7- -tdi_N.htm He recorded "15.7 mpg (6.37 gallons per 100 miles) in easy-going suburban driving." The vehicle is rated 17/25 mpg. It sounds like the Q7 will struggle to make its EPA ratings.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 13, 2009 5:40 am) The Toyota Prius had issues meeting its EPA ratings. At the time I was considering the 04 Prius, the EPA was 50 highway 60 city. Again at the time Edmunds.com Prius mpg threads were indicating 45 MAX (more like 43 in the city. minus - 28% from the stated city EPA ) from a lot of very dissapointed folks. In all fairness I did not and still do not count myself amoung that population. It was all the more interesting, since Toyota did the submissions. Needless to say it (those self submissions) became not only politically embarrasing, but the EPA took the unusual action to re"cook" the tests so the Toyota Prius could get closer to the "cooked" ratings they didn't and should not have cooked. Incidently they still have issues meeting their OWN published numbers..... Makes you wonder with the above quote how much better a diesel powered (anything) Prius hybrid will do.
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 12, 2009 1:12 pm) I think also the above "sweeping" generalization might hide the fact that most is generated on the newly place unneeded and unreliable (usually electronic...) stuff. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 13, 2009 5:40 am) The Q7 is just not attractive at all to me so I am not sure I would even test drive one. I would rather have the 2010 Audi Allroad Quattro with the 2.0L TDI used in the Jetta. So far no talk of them coming to our 3rd world nation. Soon to be the land of $4000 Tata Nano and Fiat's |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 13, 2009 5:54 am) Over the years I have noticed that there is often a lot of cherry picking when it comes to how great mpg is with diesels. If you don't like the EPA ratings you call them "cooked". Of course if a journalist or forum member should happen to get "great MPG" in an uncontrolled test, well that must be right....
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 14, 2009 5:44 am) Scott
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 14, 2009 5:44 am) ..."Diesels can get 25% to 40% better mileage than similar-size gas engines."... The above is quoted from THE article YOU posted........ If you feel diesel mpg is "cherry picked", then Prius serves as a "cherry picked" gasser hybrid comparison. Another is I also follow gasser Civic threads. I also understand (from a posted survey) that only 3-6% of folks get better mpg than the (38-42 mpg) Civic we have. So with Prius being  (the time) a roughly 12,000 premium getting a real world of 45 mpg, how long do you think it would take to break even on real world mpg? Again I have no doubt I could get 45 mpg on the Prius (maybe even better)...which again would probably be on the same order ("cherry picked") as the diesel, gasser, gasser hybrid Again if the diesel Civic were available, a diesel Civic would have been another slam dunk. Again please read my post for understanding. The "cooked" is in reference to those Prius drivers who were upset THEY did not get anywhere near to the 50/60 mpg. I say again.... I do NOT count myself among that population. If you STILL don't see the obvious reason, please let me know. Now even this $12,000 premium could have been social engineered out of the equation and/or neutralized. Simply put: IRS tax credit of 12-15k to offset the premium over Toyota Corolla (Prius' nears performance competitor)
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