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Re: Engine technology [avalon02wh] by plekto
May 30, 2009 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (May 30, 2009 3:44 pm)

The two examples - the Toyota and the Ford small diesel truck... They are already being sold int he rest of the world. By Toyota and Ford.
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Re: Engine technology [plekto] by cdnpinhead
May 31, 2009 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (May 30, 2009 4:11 pm)

. . .the Toyota and the Ford small diesel truck... They are already being sold int he rest of the world. By Toyota and Ford.
 
Yeah, but neither one satisfies the pinheads at CARB (that'd be the California Air Resources Board), otherwise known as the anti-diesel Nazis.
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This is a car I would buy to replace my TCH by larsb
Jun 02, 2009 (4:39 am)
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This is a car I would buy to replace my TCH
 
Volvo diesel plug-in hybrid - very cool
 
Volvo is looking to get into the plug-in hybrid game, with a model V70 expected in 2012. Along with partner Vattenfall, a Swedish energy supplier, Volvo could have three demonstration vehicles by this summer.
 
The powertrain is a hybrid diesel-electric. A 11.3 kWh (8 kWh to power the car), which is expected to power the vehicle for 30 miles, at which point the diesel engine would take over. The battery can be recharged in five hours from a standard wall socket.
 
There is an associated video from Volvo. Even if Volvo meets the 2012 deadline, it's unclear when Volvo would be go worldwide.
 
Volvo Cars aims to be market leader in plug-in hybrid technology
 
Volvo Cars continues to focus heavily on advanced green technology and is now taking yet another major step forward in keeping with the company's over-riding vision - DRIVe Towards Zero. A unique joint project together with Swedish energy supplier Vattenfall is prompting the production of battery-powered Volvos featuring plug-in hybrid technology as early as 2012.
 
"There is no doubt that the environmental issue is at the very top of Volvo Cars' product development agenda right now," says Stephen Odell, President and CEO of Volvo Cars. "Carbon dioxide emissions from our cars will be drastically reduced by the plan we are now implementing and our aggressive electrification strategy will put us in a leading position when it comes to environmentally optimised passenger transport."
 
Plug-in electrical hybrids in production by 2012
 
There are many benefits to plug-in electrical hybrids: carbon dioxide emissions are far lower and with an electric motor offering higher power, the car's performance is also far better. Being able to offer a truly attractive car that does not compromise on the other important properties that the customer wants is an absolute precondition for the market to shift towards more environmentally sustainable alternatives that really do make a difference.
 
"In fact, I would go so far as to say that the plug-in electrical hybrid we will launch in 2012 will be a true dream car. With the innovative solution we will offer, the car owner will be able to drive a thoroughly enjoyable car packed with Volvo's renowned high safety and genuine driving pleasure", says Stephen Odell.
 
Stephen Odell says that Volvo Cars' industrial cooperation with Vattenfall opens up entirely new potential for developing future green technologies in a far more efficient way. Working in partnership is something that the company regards as essential in order to generate sustainable development.
 
"DRIVe Towards Zero is our vision and with Vattenfall's expertise and partnership, we are making giant strides towards our targets. With our updated environmental map for the future, we are reinforcing our leading position in the environmental sphere within the premium segment," concludes Stephen Odell.
 
The following section presents Volvo Cars' environmental alternative and its map for the future.
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Re: This is a car I would buy to replace my TCH [larsb] by ruking1
Jun 02, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 02, 2009 4:39 am)

So for a R/T commute you could go 15 miles each way each way with one 5 hour charge. Conceptually that makes a lot of practical sense. However the range would be better at say 50-100 miles or from 25-50 miles each way. (in past posts I had mentioned 250 to 500 miles) D2 on a 14.5 gal tank would provide additional range of 600-700 miles)
 
In effect that would negate or greatly lessen the cost of government "mandated" miles to/from most folks' places of employment (aka daily commute), with the attending decrease in petro fuel demand.
 
So in our case, for one application, a greater range would save app 15,000 (commute) miles of a yearly 20,000 miles or 75% !!!! Since commutes have a lot of idle and slow times it turns the daily event into a ZERO emissions situation.Cummulatively that is 75%, or 15,000 miles with ZERO emissions.
 
Actually in our case the order of magnitude is even more extreme because we car pool. So commute miles are actually 30,000 miles. Since we import upwards of 60% of our oil...... we are PLUS 15% !!!???? A passenger vehicle fleet like this could turn us into a net EXPORTER of oil !!!!!!
 
Again making/letting the passenger vehicle fleet a minimum of 23% diesel is another KEY to driving down demand ever deeper. (the issue has always been the RATIO of D2 to RUG to PUG in a barrel of oil and of course 20-40% better mileage to name two benefits)
 
This concept was one I was talking about many posts ago. So what really happens (with a greater range) is for how a HUGE majority of folks use their cars, The HUGE distinction: D2 (RUG to PUG for that matter) NOW becomes a BACK UP source of power. There are of course hosts of downstream consequences: intended and unintended.
 
So again a problem that seemed to have apocalyptic proportions has always been conceptually solvable. (between the head sets)
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Re: This is a car I would buy to replace my TCH [ruking1] by ruking1
Jun 02, 2009 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 02, 2009 5:42 am)

So with the above good range plug in and (secondary) turbo diesel AND a 35.5 mpg turbo diesel SUV can easily put one 10 years north of the 2016 35.5 mpg standards . Given how long the current 27 mpg standards have lasted, easily 30 years from 2009 !!!
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Re: This is a car I would buy to replace my TCH [ruking1] by ruking1
Jun 02, 2009 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 02, 2009 5:42 am)

So with the above good range plug in and (secondary) turbo diesel AND a 35.5 mpg turbo diesel SUV can easily put one 10 years north of the 2016 35.5 mpg standards . Given how long the current 27 mpg standards have lasted, easily 30 years from 2009 !!!
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Re: Diesel haters are clueless [gagrice] by john1701a
Jun 07, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 02, 2009 5:58 am)

> The rejection of the Prius is a prime example. Their sales are down 61% over last year.
 
Now that the new model is available, it's obvious why sales were lower.
 
Demand is strong now... in part due to the impressive efficiency.
 
55.8 MPG is my average from my first 1,001 miles of driving a 2010 model.
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Re: Diesel haters are clueless [john1701a] by mike91326
Jun 07, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: john1701a (Jun 07, 2009 12:02 pm)

John,
 
Which model did you get and were you able to get a price below MSRP? Also, what do you think of the 2010?
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Re: Diesel haters are clueless [mike91326] by kcram HOST
Jun 07, 2009 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: mike91326 (Jun 07, 2009 5:50 pm)

This is not a Prius/hybrid discussion. There is the entire Toyota Prius Board for that.
 
Diesels here, please.
 
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