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Finally some progress ??? by larsb
May 22, 2009 (9:26 am)
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Chumming-up with Congress:
 
Diesel Advocacy group has a moment with Congress
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [houdini1] by ruking1
May 22, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 21, 2009 11:54 am)

I follow the synthetic oil thread, so this "indirect" but in my case direct diesel benefit also popped up at me.
 
Most gasser owners are conditioned to run 3,000-5,000 mile oil change intervals (the over all tie in is multiply this by the passenger vehicle fleet of 254.1 M minus - 2% of the diesel passenger vehicle fleet) Gasser oil consumption can range from 1 qt per 1,000 miles to 1 qt per 5,000 miles. This range is seen as pretty normal by most.
 
On the other hand, I am running a diesel 25,000 mile oil change intervals. The historical consumption (over 118,000 miles) has been app 1/2 qt per 20,000 to 25,000 miles. Again the nexus is to figure out the difference: savings/overage and * by 254.1 M passenger vehicles. I also use one filter per OCI for further "savings"
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [mike91326] by winter2
May 26, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mike91326 (May 21, 2009 10:45 am)

The price disparity at the place I purchase diesel fuel is now eighteen cents per gallon in favor of diesel fuel.
 
Later this year, my wife and I will be driving to Florida. Diesel is anywhere from nine to sixteen cents less per gallon along I-95 at the Love's truck stops except in Florida where diesel is two cents more per gallon than gasoline. Jacksonville diesel prices are pretty good at about twenty cents difference in price in favor of diesel over RUG.
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [winter2] by gagrice
May 26, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (May 26, 2009 7:02 am)

One of the real beauties of a diesel vehicle is the added range gives you the option to pick and choose fuel stops. I remember pushing my Passat TDI to 700 miles so I could get ULSD from a BP/ARCO station. In 2005 Oregon was still selling high sulfur diesel. I wanted the stuff sold only in CA at the time. Kind of Ironic. CA is first in good low sulfur diesel and they have the lowest quality gas for good mileage. YMMV
 
Diesel is at least 10 cents per gallon cheaper here than RUG.
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [gagrice] by ruking1
May 26, 2009 (7:31 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 26, 2009 7:08 am)

Slow news day, but the "northern" spread here is .16 to .18 cents (with diesel being cheaper)
 
VW Jetta's
 
2.0, 29 mpg, 1.8T, 29 mpg, TDI, 49 mpg
 
RUG $ 2.75/29 mpg = .0948 cents per mile driven
 
PUG $ 2.95/29 mpg = .102 cents per mile driven
 
D2 $ 2.59/49 mpg = .053 cents per mile driven
 
Respectively, (per mile driven) RUG to PUG is 79% / 92.5% over D2.
 
Range is another interesting discussion as the tanks are 14.5 gals. So with .5 gal left in the tank (hopefully for obvious reasons), 406 miles, 406 miles, 686 miles respectively.
 
This however is not the bad/good news,... depending on how one looks at it. almost close to 4 hours (3.75 actually) steady I have gone most of the length from San Jose CA to Santa Monica, CA fueled on Wilshire Blvd, giving 50 mpg. I swag at the same times, the gassers would get 25 mpg respectively. Needless to say the per mile driven cost goes up: a minimum of 33% !!??
 
Now I can do the journey the 75 mph with bursts to 80-85 ranges and 59 mpg. But as you can see, you are already nodding off. Actually so would I !!! So now I can talk on the cell phone, watch a movie, eat breakfast and lunch, use mobile networks to surf the web, and actually get work done and the only reason to stop would be ... P..... breaks. Are we there yet?
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Engine technology by avalon02wh
May 30, 2009 (5:41 am)
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"The winning technology in all this will be hybrids in all shapes and forms. It won't be the diesel," he said. "
 
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090529/OPINION03/905290325/1148/auto01/Tougher+- CAFE+won+t+be+a+free+lunch+for+Europe+s+fuel+misers
 
I would disagree with his statement. We will likely see three or more engine technologies being used in the next 5 to 10 years. The three technologies that I think will share the market include: diesels, hybrids and turbo, direct injection engines like the eco motor from Ford. VW and the Europeans will likely make the most diesels. The Japanese brands will make hybrids as will Ford.
 
I do not see electric cars making much of a dent for a good ten years. Even then I see them only as second or third cars for city driving.
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Re: Engine technology [avalon02wh] by houdini1
May 30, 2009 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (May 30, 2009 5:41 am)

Supposedly, the Indian company, Mahindra, will begin importing a compact pick-up to the U.S toward the end of 2009. That is this year folks ! Somewhere around 150 hp and around 30 mpg. Final assembly will be in Ohio to beat the chicken tax.
 
It supposedly will be a pretty nice truck. About the size of the Tacoma, and will sell somewhere in the mid twenty's. Two door and four door models. Plans for a diesel hybrid in 2010.
 
Just google Mahindra diesel pick-up for more info.
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Re: Engine technology [avalon02wh] by ruking1
May 30, 2009 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (May 30, 2009 5:41 am)

There are really loads of BS/SNAFU surrounding these issues.
 
Hybrids indeed the VAST majority run on RUG, RUG by (their) definition is not an alternative fuel.
 
So for example going on two decades and/or MORE ago,
 
the CA(primarily democratic) legislature forced absolutely stupid (my take) law/s mandating a 3% (plug in) "electric" population. The following quote shows the goals were originally 3.33 x higher !!!!!
 
...""The original goal of California’s zero-emission mandate, which was enacted in 1990, was to require 10 percent of the nearly 1 million new vehicle sales in the state to be all-electric by 2003"...link title
 
Now I don't know the full ramifications, but Ford/Toyota/GM each offered a plug in electric Ranger, RAV4, (GM offering escapes me at the moment) At the time I was on our municipality's and County's TA transportation boards and was involved in the plug in Ranger's acquisition.
 
To much fanfare and I would assume much incentives, tax credits depreciation etc, etc, they hit the market AND...... everything literally DIED almost immediately.....
 
It approaches impossibility to use alternative fuel/s when those very same folks who say we should use alternative fuel/s make it impossible to use.... ah you guessed it... alternative fuel/s.....
 
So for example biodiesel is BANNED from being stored in underground double walled storage tanks, despite the regulatory own information knowing not only is it less pollutive than RUG to PUG, but it is FAR simplier to clean up when it is spilled. Storing those types of flamable liquids above ground in an urban setting is next to impossible. Even if they could get the "permits" above ground storage where below ground storage exists already is a min of 50,000 dollars. So when you make .10 cents a gal how many gals do you have to sell to just B/E?
 
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Re: Engine technology [houdini1] by avalon02wh
May 30, 2009 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 30, 2009 10:02 am)

I did see the Mahindra a few moths ago. Not sure I would want to be the first one on my block to buy one. In all likelihood it would be 20 years or more before a dealer set up shop anywhere near my town. The closest VW dealer is 200 miles away as an example.
 
http://www.dfwmahindra.com/index.php?x=aboutmahindra
 
As of late I have been thinking about a getting a compact pickup next time around. A small diesel of about 2 liters and a six speed auto in a Tacoma sized truck would fit the bill. The 140 hp & 236 ft-lbs, from the VW 2L TDI motor as an example, would compare favorably to the 159 hp & 180 ft-lbs of the 2.7L four in the Tacoma now. The diesel would be the better motor for the kind of work a person does with a pickup. The MPG would also best the so-so 19/25 MPG of the Tacoma with the 2.7L and auto.
 
Do I think Toyota or Ford will put a diesel in their compact pickups anytime soon - no sad to say.
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Re: Engine technology [avalon02wh] by houdini1
May 30, 2009 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (May 30, 2009 3:44 pm)

One article said that in addition to dedicated dealers, they would try to have established dealers take on the Mahindra. Chrysler or GM should jump at the chance, or maybe the dealerships that are closing.

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