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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [winter2] by mike91326
May 21, 2009 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (May 21, 2009 1:58 am)

Yesterday the Mobil station near my house (SF Valley in Los Angeles) had D2 at $2.39 and RUG at $2.59. Looks like it's time for a 2009 Jetta TDI while their still going for $1,000 under invoice at the local VW dealer.
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [ruking1] by houdini1
May 21, 2009 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 21, 2009 10:13 am)

At the above prices and consumption*, RUG is 82% more !!?? PUG is 100% more than diesel !!??
 
Not only that, but you are using almost twice as much fuel (oil) with gas as opposed to diesel !!
 
Of course we have to keep sending our money over seas to the people who want to do us harm. Unbelievable !
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [houdini1] by ruking1
May 22, 2009 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 21, 2009 11:54 am)

To add to your points," winterized " fuel ( I noticed on a Honda Civic) gets app -2 mpg (worse) due solely to this variable. This is app -5.3% (less).This can range from 3-6 months (region specific) or from 25 to 50% of the total years mileage. So in fact you USE 5.3% MORE. (per mile driven)
 
D2 on the other hand, experienced par (no loss, no gain) due solely to this variable and its modifying variable: duration..
 
And then of course.... SURPRISE SURPRISE... things change...
 
link title
 
What most folks ignore is D-2 's structural 20-40% fuel advantage. (over like models)
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Finally some progress ??? by larsb
May 22, 2009 (9:26 am)
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Chumming-up with Congress:
 
Diesel Advocacy group has a moment with Congress
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [houdini1] by ruking1
May 22, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 21, 2009 11:54 am)

I follow the synthetic oil thread, so this "indirect" but in my case direct diesel benefit also popped up at me.
 
Most gasser owners are conditioned to run 3,000-5,000 mile oil change intervals (the over all tie in is multiply this by the passenger vehicle fleet of 254.1 M minus - 2% of the diesel passenger vehicle fleet) Gasser oil consumption can range from 1 qt per 1,000 miles to 1 qt per 5,000 miles. This range is seen as pretty normal by most.
 
On the other hand, I am running a diesel 25,000 mile oil change intervals. The historical consumption (over 118,000 miles) has been app 1/2 qt per 20,000 to 25,000 miles. Again the nexus is to figure out the difference: savings/overage and * by 254.1 M passenger vehicles. I also use one filter per OCI for further "savings"
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [mike91326] by winter2
May 26, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mike91326 (May 21, 2009 10:45 am)

The price disparity at the place I purchase diesel fuel is now eighteen cents per gallon in favor of diesel fuel.
 
Later this year, my wife and I will be driving to Florida. Diesel is anywhere from nine to sixteen cents less per gallon along I-95 at the Love's truck stops except in Florida where diesel is two cents more per gallon than gasoline. Jacksonville diesel prices are pretty good at about twenty cents difference in price in favor of diesel over RUG.
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [winter2] by gagrice
May 26, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (May 26, 2009 7:02 am)

One of the real beauties of a diesel vehicle is the added range gives you the option to pick and choose fuel stops. I remember pushing my Passat TDI to 700 miles so I could get ULSD from a BP/ARCO station. In 2005 Oregon was still selling high sulfur diesel. I wanted the stuff sold only in CA at the time. Kind of Ironic. CA is first in good low sulfur diesel and they have the lowest quality gas for good mileage. YMMV
 
Diesel is at least 10 cents per gallon cheaper here than RUG.
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Re: Diesel now cheaper than RUG in many places! [gagrice] by ruking1
May 26, 2009 (7:31 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 26, 2009 7:08 am)

Slow news day, but the "northern" spread here is .16 to .18 cents (with diesel being cheaper)
 
VW Jetta's
 
2.0, 29 mpg, 1.8T, 29 mpg, TDI, 49 mpg
 
RUG $ 2.75/29 mpg = .0948 cents per mile driven
 
PUG $ 2.95/29 mpg = .102 cents per mile driven
 
D2 $ 2.59/49 mpg = .053 cents per mile driven
 
Respectively, (per mile driven) RUG to PUG is 79% / 92.5% over D2.
 
Range is another interesting discussion as the tanks are 14.5 gals. So with .5 gal left in the tank (hopefully for obvious reasons), 406 miles, 406 miles, 686 miles respectively.
 
This however is not the bad/good news,... depending on how one looks at it. almost close to 4 hours (3.75 actually) steady I have gone most of the length from San Jose CA to Santa Monica, CA fueled on Wilshire Blvd, giving 50 mpg. I swag at the same times, the gassers would get 25 mpg respectively. Needless to say the per mile driven cost goes up: a minimum of 33% !!??
 
Now I can do the journey the 75 mph with bursts to 80-85 ranges and 59 mpg. But as you can see, you are already nodding off. Actually so would I !!! So now I can talk on the cell phone, watch a movie, eat breakfast and lunch, use mobile networks to surf the web, and actually get work done and the only reason to stop would be ... P..... breaks. Are we there yet?
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Engine technology by avalon02wh
May 30, 2009 (5:41 am)
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"The winning technology in all this will be hybrids in all shapes and forms. It won't be the diesel," he said. "
 
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090529/OPINION03/905290325/1148/auto01/Tougher+- CAFE+won+t+be+a+free+lunch+for+Europe+s+fuel+misers
 
I would disagree with his statement. We will likely see three or more engine technologies being used in the next 5 to 10 years. The three technologies that I think will share the market include: diesels, hybrids and turbo, direct injection engines like the eco motor from Ford. VW and the Europeans will likely make the most diesels. The Japanese brands will make hybrids as will Ford.
 
I do not see electric cars making much of a dent for a good ten years. Even then I see them only as second or third cars for city driving.
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Re: Engine technology [avalon02wh] by houdini1
May 30, 2009 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (May 30, 2009 5:41 am)

Supposedly, the Indian company, Mahindra, will begin importing a compact pick-up to the U.S toward the end of 2009. That is this year folks ! Somewhere around 150 hp and around 30 mpg. Final assembly will be in Ohio to beat the chicken tax.
 
It supposedly will be a pretty nice truck. About the size of the Tacoma, and will sell somewhere in the mid twenty's. Two door and four door models. Plans for a diesel hybrid in 2010.
 
Just google Mahindra diesel pick-up for more info.

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