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8147 messages, Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 8:22 PM
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This reminds me of the article in today's Minneapolis Star and Sickle re Obama's new MPG order.The article noted that only six cars now on the market that met the 35.5 MPG where all hybrids? With no mention of any of the VW TDI'S
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (May 20, 2009 8:22 am) The range of the 2009 Jetta TDI (in 2016, this will be 7/8 years old) has been more limited, but 39-45 mpg,(55% more hp and52% more torque) normal commute of 40-42 mpg. So even at THE worst, they are 24% to 10% better, and at its best 75% to 27% better, than the 2016 FORWARD 35.5 mpg standards I guess this is a long way of saying it is time to buy that Ford product that gets 22 mpg !!?? That twin turbo (gasser) V-6 Lincoln with 350 hp and 350 # ft of torque....  Actually it is time for that 285-350 hp and 400# ft to 800# ft of torque twin turbo V8 DIESEL !!! (35.5 mpg) |
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (May 20, 2009 8:22 am) No big surprise there. He is just a talking head puppet for the Eco Weenies running the show. None of the Made in USA hybrids will meet the 35.5 MPG mandate. The 20 Jetta TDI owners posting on the EPA site are averaging over 40 MPG combined. Well over the 33 MPG EPA estimate. CA and the oil companies are anti diesel. Makes it a tough sell.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 20, 2009 12:24 pm)  least a 4 year extension !! RUG to PUG continues to be 30 ppm sulfur, while Oct 2006 saw D2 go to 15 ppm and less. The very same folks are trying to make ZERO (0) PPM bio diesel almost a boutique alternative fuel with their documented no underground storage till "they test it for 15 years" ruling. Try putting an above ground tank of any of those combustible liquids in an urban area!!!?? When pigs fly comes to mind. Yet bio diesel "bio de-grades" better and faster than ANY RUG to PUG that happens to leak in current underground tanks (aka re mediation is faster, cheaper, better,) |
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Has anyone been looking at the price of diesel fuel versus gasoline? In many places diesel is less expensive than RUG. Where I generally buy my fuel, diesel is six cents per gallon less than RUG. In a few weeks, my wife and I will be driving to Florida via I-95. At the Love's truck stops which we use, diesel is is anywhere from ten cents to twenty-one cents less per gallon than RUG. As to the Tiguan, it looks like an older Subaru Forester,
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Replying to: winter2 (May 21, 2009 1:58 am) Chart:  Springtime Transitions May is a time of transition as days get warmer, swimming pools open, and new graduates get ready to head out into the world. It is also a time of transition for U.S. fuel markets, as gasoline suppliers prepare for summer driving. This year, May has already brought back the traditional—but lapsed—spring transition in which the average price of regular gasoline in the United States rises above the price of diesel fuel. On May 11, the U.S. average retail price for regular gasoline reached $2.24 per gallon, surpassing the average diesel fuel price of $2.22. The crossing of the price paths for gasoline and diesel was once a regular rite of spring: gasoline prices rising for the high-demand summer driving season, while distillate fuel prices, including diesel and heating oil, falling from their highs in the cold of winter. This pattern had begun to break down in 2005, when diesel prices exceeded gasoline prices nearly the entire year (with the exception of a few weeks surrounding Hurricane Katrina). In 2006, gasoline and diesel prices remained essentially at parity for most of April through July, after which diesel commanded a notable premium. In 2007, the pattern returned, with gasoline rising strongly above diesel from late April to late July. Last year, diesel climbed to much higher levels than gasoline, despite gasoline breaking $4 per gallon. May 11 of this year marks the first time since July 23, 2007 that regular gasoline has cost more at the pump, on average, than diesel fuel. Over the past few years, strong growth in distillate demand globally broke the traditional pattern of diesel and gasoline prices. Distillate demand growth over the last 5 years was boosted by two factors. A strong world economy put more upward pressure on distillate demand than on gasoline, and Europe’s policy-driven shift away from gasoline to distillate fuel in its light duty vehicles increased demand for diesel while reducing gasoline. Shorter-term factors also affect the price relationship between gasoline and diesel. As the economy weakened, the current economic slowdown affected distillates more than gasoline, because distillate demand is largely made up of diesel fuel for trucks, trains, and ships to move goods and materials, while gasoline demand is used mainly in light duty personal cars and trucks. In fact, U.S. distillate demand fell by 6.1 percent in 2008, while gasoline dropped by 3.5 percent. Diesel and gasoline prices have been converging throughout the first part of 2009. At the end of December 2008, gasoline prices bottomed at $1.61, the lowest price in nearly 5 years. By the first week in May, they had risen 47 cents to $2.08 per gallon. Crude oil prices explain some of this increase: between the end of 2008 and the first week in May, crude oil prices rose about $16 per barrel, or 38 cents per gallon. Since wholesale gasoline prices were near or even below the price of some crude oils at the end of 2008, gasoline prices were expected to increase more than crude oil prices. More recently, gasoline price increases have been driven by the more traditional spring transition leading up to the Memorial Day weekend, the traditional start of the peak summer driving season. The average U.S. price for regular gasoline rose another 23 cents over the past two weeks, reaching $2.31 per gallon on May 18. Crude oil prices have contributed in some measure to this increase as well: from May 1 through May 15, crude prices increased $7 per barrel, or 18 cents per gallon. Although crude oil prices are likely to remain a major influence over gasoline prices this summer, the seasonal increase in gasoline demand during the peak driving season, on top of potential underlying demand recovery, appears to be influencing the price at the pump. At the same time, strong supply availability from refiners now running at low utilizations in both Europe and the U.S. is likely to moderate gasoline price increases this summer. In any case, both gasoline and diesel fuel prices will likely stay well below their summer 2008 levels, making this year’s spring transition less dramatic than the last. From this page, updated weekly on Wednesday afternoons: TWIP |
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Replying to: larsb (May 21, 2009 5:59 am) RUG $ 2.53 PUG $ 2.79 D2 $ 2.35 VW 2003 2.0, RUG- 29 mpg/2.53 = .0872 cents VW 2003 1.8 T PUG- 29mpg/2.79 = .096 cents VW 2003 1.9 TDI D2- 49 mpg/2.35 = .048 cents At the above prices and consumption*, RUG is 82% more !!?? PUG is 100% more than diesel !!?? Many more folks both percentage and volume drive cars that require PUG. than the 2% of passenger diesel car fleet. (* per mile driven and like models obviously)
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Replying to: winter2 (May 21, 2009 1:58 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 21, 2009 10:13 am) Not only that, but you are using almost twice as much fuel (oil) with gas as opposed to diesel !! Of course we have to keep sending our money over seas to the people who want to do us harm. Unbelievable !
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 21, 2009 11:54 am) D2 on the other hand, experienced par (no loss, no gain) due solely to this variable and its modifying variable: duration.. And then of course.... SURPRISE SURPRISE... things change... link title What most folks ignore is D-2 's structural 20-40% fuel advantage. (over like models) |
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