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Replying to: roland3 (Jan 18, 2009 12:06 pm) |
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… Now we're talking, and here's why. Using the EPA's fuel-economy figures for both cars (27 mpg combined for the 335d and 20 mpg combined for the 335i) and a rate of 15,000 miles driven annually, we find that the 335d will burn 195 gallons of fuel fewer than a 335i. … By virtue of burning less fuel … the 335i also emits considerably less CO2 every year — 7.79 tons/year vs. 9.76 tons/year. So the answer for those whose hearts are green is simple: Buy the 335d. Still, there are other benefits to consider … The 335d's acceleration is impressive … The story the numbers don't tell is how effortlessly the diesel gets the job done. This power plant is amply engaging below 3,000 rpm. We found ourselves outrunning everyone while grunting it around town without ever approaching the upper reaches of the tachometer. Venture beyond 3,000 rpm and you'll find enough life left in the top third of the tachometer to make hard driving enjoyable. And you'll do it without feeling like you're overworking the engine. When we start driving quickly, we inevitably end up spending lots of time around redline, and we've found this diesel will play in that arena with a willingness to rev all the way to redline. So what we have here is a class-leading sedan with plenty of grunt, lots of range and a large price tag. Thing is, if you're shopping in this price range and have an ounce of social responsibility in your soul, then the 2009 BMW 335d is undeniably appealing. There isn't another car that can match its strengths. And it doesn't have many weaknesses. You don't even need a cost/benefit analysis to tell you that. Edmund's 2009 BMW 335d Full Test Gosh, I didn't knew I was so green  Regards, Jose
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Replying to: jlbl (Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am) The 335d sounds like a fantastic car and I know you love yours. I personally do not need that much power and would welcome the same car with a smaller engine. Let's see what some of the diesel nay sayers have to say about how green the 335d actually is !!
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 23, 2009 7:19 am) |
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 23, 2009 8:39 am) I come at this from the perspective of having that 4 sec zero to 60 car, and suv's that you can almost literally smoke a cigarette during a 0-60 run.  So for example a Z06 has been documented to be specified for 100 each, full zero to 60, 4 second to sub 4 sec runs. Then of course, things (aka expensive) start to break. How many folks buy a 4 door passenger sedan for that purpose? BMW does not document how many full 0-60 runs and probably for good reason. All I know is ALL my friends who have (gasser) BMW's have a hard time getting out of the service bay door without leaving pretty close to $1,000 (after the low warranty period) for seemingly small things. So if folks are looking for diesels to match a gassers zero to 60 numbers I can understand that. However, they might not really understand the (design) differences nor more importantly be happy with the differences and perhaps should bypass a diesel. As a so called "real world concern" I am more dialed into the 50 mph to 120 mph parameters (or how the car rags divide them)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 23, 2009 8:39 am) Besides that, I drive a Lexus LS so what do I know about BMW diesels? 
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 23, 2009 9:32 am) One pause I have is BMW 335 D's urea refill at oil change intervals vs nada for the 155# ft of torque 03 Jetta TDI and the 236 # ft of torque 09 Jetta TDI. There is still a sense of UN-believability of 50 mpg  85-90 mph even after 113,000 miles !!! When I go 75 mph (sans no radar detector) with bursts to 80 mph and it puts up 56-59 mpg......!!?? This might be proof positve why the logistics system remains upwards of 98% gasser passenger cars !? Or conversely diesel passenger cars remain less than 1% of the passenger vehicle fleet. The other news; the VW's available in the US markets are fuel hogs compared to diesels available in the European and WW markets !!??  
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 23, 2009 9:12 am) Maybe. But, unfortunately, I think BMW is going to fall back on this argument when the 335d fails. And it will fail, mind you, because of the reasons I stated, not necessarily because folks are anti-diesel. I can't see many folks driving both, looking at the sticker prices, looking at the EPA numbers, and ultimately deciding to go with the diesel. But maybe I'm wrong.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 23, 2009 1:08 pm) the 1 st , 2 nd ,3 rd years/2010, 2011,2012 !!! My guess is the BMW gasser zero to 60 crowd will not be happy with the diesels' 0-60 times, and a fair number will come off lease. Most BMW gasser owners could care about mpg, since most get like 20/25 MAX mpg. The 3 series diesel prices will regress to the 3 series gasser prices mean. The urea refill will only be an issue after warranty coverage ceases. So if you are correct, one will be able to get an even more previously expensive car CHEAPER than a 3 series gasser. How cool will that be? So I hope you are right, for I was most impressed with the 2009 BMW 335 D twin turbo, 265 hp with 425 # ft of torque. |
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were willing to bring the really fun and economical diesels over here, with the 1.9 - 2.5 litre displacements, they'd sell like hotcakes. The big diesels, not so much, I'm thinking. Plus which they have to have a manual transmission.
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