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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 31, 2008 12:08 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 31, 2008 6:44 am) It just works. Pickens is a bit over the top, but we do have tons of the stuff that we could make and it's not going to use a drop of ethanol or foreign oil. And most people, if you could get 300-400 miles range, wouldn't care WHAT they fill the car with as long as it's cheap and quick.
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Replying to: plekto (Dec 31, 2008 11:52 pm) I think people would be surprised to know just how much natural gas is used in the growing of corn and processing ethanol. The main fertilizer used to grow corn anhydrous ammonia is made from natural gas. Natural gas is used to process the corn into ethanol. Of course a lot of diesel is used in the farming and transportation of ethanol. I have never figured out why we spend so much time experimenting with hydrogen cars when it takes as much natural gas to produce the hydrogen as it would to just power the car. The trick now is getting the massive amounts of Natural Gas out of the Arctic down to the people. It will decrease our trade deficit and benefit Alaska as well as the Midwest. As long as they do not waste it growing corn for ethanol. |
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Replying to: plekto (Dec 31, 2008 11:52 pm) |
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| The Dallas Transit System has been using natural gas for a while. | |
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Replying to: plekto (Dec 30, 2008 10:54 pm) I do remember that they had problems running on cng at higher altitudes.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 02, 2009 7:54 pm) |
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... I've made a prediction on Edmunds that urea systems will be obsolete before the last truckstop in California has the pumps and tanks installed. So: we have the relatively new Argonne Labs patent for NOx reduction, and today we have breaking news that Eaton Corp. and Clean Diesel Technologies are collaborating on a system that will improve Eaton's system that does not require on-board tanks or a couple hundred million of infrastructure. Geeshe, what a novel idea: USA technology for a USA and Earth problem. .. ... I am sure the bean counters in Pilot and TA told the execs that they are the smartest guys in the room, because it's as simple as this: look at Europe: X amount of regs, equals X amount of fuel, equals X amount of urea, BUT did they tell you this technology might be ten years old by the time you have it implemented. Maybe that is the problem, the bean counters and the reg makers are building engines. It might actually be a fortuitous time for Flying J to be in Chapter 11 as they should come out the other side of this and not have truckers haul away their probably hazardous ammonia tanks. Arnold, why not save the State and the trucking industry, a few hundred million and stop this nightmare before the first one goes in the ground ??? But wait, don't forget Homeland Security on this deal !!!
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Well we know that eight years of an oil administration that could do nothing right what are we up against with the coming Clinton 2.0' or Obama for those that have not noticed. 
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Replying to: roland3 (Jan 07, 2009 10:02 am)
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