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gagrice by marsha7
Dec 12, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Hey, I didn't expect to find you here...I really enjoy your union experiences in the UAW topic...kinda adds some common sense to the usualy union rah-rah that will be the death of the automakers...
 
Bob
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Re: gagrice [marsha7] by gagrice
Dec 13, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:47 pm)

I am first and foremost a fan of diesel vehicles. That is what brought me to Edmund's over 10 years ago. I am not anti Union, as I am living a very decent retirement as a result of 37 years in a Union. We just ran our Union with a lot more responsibility to the company that was paying the bills. Unlike the UAW.
 
If GM would offer a decent sized diesel in their Tahoe or Trailblazer sized vehicles, I would give them another shot at my wallet.
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Re: gagrice [gagrice] by ruking1
Dec 13, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 9:48 am)

Hold out for the IRS tax credit and government voucher !! The big three will soon be partially belong to the taxpayers.
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Re: Diesel Fuel in the news [avalon02wh] by winter2
Dec 15, 2008 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 11, 2008 4:23 pm)

A hybrid, an expensive and a complex proposition. Still uses a one way fuel, gasoline. The drive train is messy and complex and battery technology is still a problem (limited life, expensive to replace).
 
You can get the same FE with a diesel in the city with an auto stop system (engine shuts down at a stop light or after several seconds of idling). That saves fuel right there and is much less complex than a hybrid system. Most people commute on the highway, an area where hybrids lose big time to diesel.
 
As to PPB, I would love to use one, but in metro D.C. riding one is suicide.
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Re: gagrice [gagrice] by winter2
Dec 15, 2008 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 9:48 am)

The UAW is only partly responsible for the position that GM is in. Management at GM is just as responsible for the mess.
 
As to getting a domestic diesel from GM, don't hold your breath. Idiot Wagoneer is about as anti-diesel as they come.
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winter2 by marsha7
Dec 15, 2008 (1:14 pm)
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At the risk of belaboring a point to death (when has that stopped me before?), if the buying public has deserted the Big 3 because of doors that mount crooked, hoods that won't close, and extra screws or missing bolts, blame the union...if they deserted because the design is boring, blame management...
 
I would think that many people would intentionally buy a boring car but will avoid a car that looks like it was slapped together by duct tape...
 
While the average person probably does not know what the UAW is, they certainly know if the car squeaks, rattles, and closes like a tin can...they may not know "UAW", but they know a POS when they see one, and THAT, IMO, goes to the union labor making the car...
 
As far as making a diesel, the automakers ought to notice the improved mpg from them, stretching our limited petroleum resources even further, while developing fuel cells and other means...hybrid cars will be a problem when it is time to buy a new battery and dispose of the old one...the enviros will go bonkers when they see all those batteries in landfills...be careful what you wish for, you might get it...
 
Belabor on................................................................
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Re: winter2 [marsha7] by altair4
Dec 15, 2008 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 15, 2008 1:14 pm)

I rent domestic cars (well, let's call them "Big 3" cars, since I don't know where they were actually built) when I travel for work. Bearing in mind that none of them have more than 15,000 miles on them, most of them have been built reasonably well. No rattles to speak of, nothing seemingly falling off. So based on your comments, I guess I can't blame the UAW for that.
 
Design-wise - jeez, some of these vehicles have questionable esthetics, at least to my eye. The interiors lack some ergonomic details. Why is the radio so far away? Why is the onboard computer information button so far away? Why won't the outside mirrors adjust enough outward so I don't have any blindspots? Why are those mirrors so small and poorly shaped? So, I guess the reason I haven't owned a "Big 3" car in over 20 years falls on the management.
 
So tell me again what they're going to do with the taxpayer money to fix the design issues that I perceive as deal-breakers for me?
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Re: gagrice [winter2] by gfr1
Dec 15, 2008 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: winter2 (Dec 15, 2008 12:50 pm)

Management can be corrected or dealt with. UAW? -- No way!! If the company gets better, UAW wil taked it right back down, to get theirs!
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altair by marsha7
Dec 15, 2008 (6:29 pm)
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"So tell me again what they're going to do with the taxpayer money to fix the design issues that I perceive as deal-breakers for me? "
 
I wish I knew..................
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Re: Diesel Fuel in the news [winter2] by larsb
Dec 16, 2008 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (Dec 15, 2008 12:45 pm)

Hybrids are not very much more complicated that the BlueTec system.
 
I read a description of the system and just the basics were about 6 pages long.
 
Most of the "complication" of a hybrid is just computerization.
 
The BlueTec system also takes a lot of hardware and a complicated computer to do it's bidness.
 
I'm all for more BlueTecs and more hybrids on the road. Complicated cars are the present and the future. There is no going back now.
 
"Complication" can no longer be considered a negative criticism.

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