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8143 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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Snap shot local prices This morning filled with D2  $ 2.359 per gal Glanced over at: RUG $ 1.739 PUG $ 1.939 VW Jetta like model "cost per mile driven" TDI - 50mpg / $ 2.359 per gal = .04718 cents 2.0 - 30/1.739 = .057967 1.8T - 30/1.939 = .06463 D2 per mile driven like model is 18.6% cheaper than RUG, 27% cheaper than PUG. I am sure the anti D2 folks can do the math when matrix of D2, RUG,PUG is up around $4.00 per gal. A short term goal: (30-40 years= 1 generation) You will know the system will be serious about cutting consumption when D2 is cheaper per gal than RUG to PUG. Dead serious will be when the population of alternative fuel passenger, (of which D2 is a subset) vehicle population are exponentially higher. Till then they will camouflage the true cost. (per mile driven) EV vehicles at current electrical rates will exponentially crash the cost per mile driven for fuel !!!!! |
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I do not know if there are any official figures for the length of a generation "(30-40 years= 1 generation)", but I thought it was more like 18-25 years, when many have their kids... And in the inner city, where girls get pregnant at 15, two generations of welfare are about 30 years, when the 30 year old is a grandmother... That might give a different time frame for diesel fuel...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 11, 2008 2:33 pm) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 4:30 pm) The type of fuel is not really that important to me. I was originally making a few observations. The cost is an issue and until diesel prices get close to RUG/PUG on a nation wide basis diesel car sales will be limited. You could say that the diesel invasion has been postponed due to bad weather. You said :"Most vehicles that have both gas and diesel options are getting about 40% better mileage highway." Is that really true? The ML320 gets 20% better highway mpg vs. the ML350. The E320 is 25% better than the E350. The Jetta diesel is 38% better, but then the gas version only gets 29 mpg highway on premium while a Malibu with the 4 gets 33 mpg highway on regular. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/diesel.shtml
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 3:14 pm) Just making a few observations. The forum title is Diesel in the News. One can comment on a news article without actually owning a diesel.  And as to something better for the environment my PPB blows gassers and diesels right out of the water. You may want to check out the following link: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/12/ford-fusion-hyb.html#more The car could be a serious competitor for diesel cars like the Jetta. (PPB = pedal powered bike)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 11, 2008 4:08 pm) As far as different cars. In the Mercedes you would want to compare the E320 CDI to the V8 model to get the closest driving experience. Even the very poor EPA gives the diesel version a combined 35% increase in mileage. In real life driver's report on average getting 45% better with the diesel over the gas "E" car. That would be Premium required on the gasser. The ML and GL are very similar comparisons. Those reporting mileage on the 2009 Jetta TDI are doing 40% better than the gas counterpart. And if you drive a few hundred miles in the diesel version you will understand why so many would pay more per gallon for the diesel. I am personally hoping that diesel remains higher at least until I get a chance to try the new X5 diesel and make my choice between my 3 diesel choices. Unless someone else brings a diesel SUV into the mix. My goal is a full size SUV that gets near 30 MPG out on the highway. I know one man with a GL320 CDI that consistently gets 28 MPG on the highway. Never under 20 just short city trips. That beats the heck out of my 17 MPG on the highway with the Sequoia. |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 11, 2008 4:23 pm) The 2001 Z06 Corvette gets 26 mpg and at xxx mph !!! Yet the Fusion is an economy car!?? OK !!?? I will just drive it slower.  I get 38-42 in a Honda Civic. While I don't know what a Ford Fusion hybrid compared to the Ford Fusion would compare, the price difference for the Civic hybrid at the time was $7,400 MORE than Civic. For giggles, how long would it take either or both to B/E? For most... NOT !! Around here driving a PPB is akin to... not wanting to live too much longer....  Best is to get hit by a UPS or Fed EX truck, they at least have insurance.  However falling and risking various levels of paralysis might be a fate worse.....
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 11, 2008 5:12 pm)  link title |
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Hey, I didn't expect to find you here...I really enjoy your union experiences in the UAW topic...kinda adds some common sense to the usualy union rah-rah that will be the death of the automakers... Bob |
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 12, 2008 7:47 pm) If GM would offer a decent sized diesel in their Tahoe or Trailblazer sized vehicles, I would give them another shot at my wallet.
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