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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 6:14 pm) It would be a better bet with US market Honda cTDI's.  I'd love to get upwards of 56 mpg in a Honda Civic in a daily commute, where we get a pretty stellar 38-42 in a gasser.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 6:14 pm) Honda has done well in the USA for one good reason. Americans have a 0-60 MPH mentality. Honda did not do well in the EU until they adopted diesel engines. VW is far and away bigger than Honda world wide. Because of the exchange rate they have not penetrated our market well since the 1980s. They have not taken the hit here in the USA that Honda has. My bet is with VW on the diesels. This will be an interesting time in the US auto industry. I am assuming that VW is on track with their new plant in TN.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 10, 2008 5:25 am) So say the US diesel market is only mildly successful. Specific to general world wide diesel markets can be manufactured FOR at the same (TN) plant. All of a sudden VW is part of the US balance of export trade, etc, etc. At the same time, we are bailing out the big three who can't close domestic plants FAST enough !!! ???. UAW presidents' answer to the 77 dollar per hour vs 33 dollar per hour WAGES disparity?.... 77 dollars!! and.... BAILOUT !!!!! Even the biggie three have CEO'd up and will take a buck a year in salary. !!!! What are they now pissed off because those scofflaws won't take .50 cents per year? And we wonder why things have gotten/are/will continue to be.... bas ack wards.   For so called following the rules and being "successful" I'd feel screwed if I were Honda, Toyota, VW, Nissan, etc (anybody pipe in here with auto plants I have missed) I am just waiting for the 30-50k rebate AND tax credit to buy a twin turbo diesel Corvette !!! 
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link title Just using the excise tax (there are plenty more layers, if folks are interested) another reason to like like model diesels. So for example a VW Jetta 1.8T (requires premium) /2.0 (requires regular) gets 30 mpg (either, gassers) TDI  49 mpg (D2) (California) excise tax on a gal of gas is .18 cents D2 is .18 cents. So far: same/same So taxation is .006 per mile driven, gasser ; .00367 per mile driven, D2 (.006-.00367=.00233/.006=) 39% LESS TAXATION PER MILE DRIVEN. If you are used to driving a diesel, per mile driven a like model gasser is paying 63.5% MORE than D2. local prices snapshot D2=2.61 RUG 1.95 PUG 2.29 |
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Snap shot local prices This morning filled with D2 $ 2.359 per gal Glanced over at: RUG $ 1.739 PUG $ 1.939 VW Jetta like model "cost per mile driven" TDI - 50mpg / $ 2.359 per gal = .04718 cents 2.0 - 30/1.739 = .057967 1.8T - 30/1.939 = .06463 D2 per mile driven like model is 18.6% cheaper than RUG, 27% cheaper than PUG. I am sure the anti D2 folks can do the math when matrix of D2, RUG,PUG is up around $4.00 per gal. A short term goal: (30-40 years= 1 generation) You will know the system will be serious about cutting consumption when D2 is cheaper per gal than RUG to PUG. Dead serious will be when the population of alternative fuel passenger, (of which D2 is a subset) vehicle population are exponentially higher. Till then they will camouflage the true cost. (per mile driven) EV vehicles at current electrical rates will exponentially crash the cost per mile driven for fuel !!!!! |
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I do not know if there are any official figures for the length of a generation "(30-40 years= 1 generation)", but I thought it was more like 18-25 years, when many have their kids... And in the inner city, where girls get pregnant at 15, two generations of welfare are about 30 years, when the 30 year old is a grandmother... That might give a different time frame for diesel fuel...
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 11, 2008 2:33 pm) 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 4:30 pm) The type of fuel is not really that important to me. I was originally making a few observations. The cost is an issue and until diesel prices get close to RUG/PUG on a nation wide basis diesel car sales will be limited. You could say that the diesel invasion has been postponed due to bad weather. You said :"Most vehicles that have both gas and diesel options are getting about 40% better mileage highway." Is that really true? The ML320 gets 20% better highway mpg vs. the ML350. The E320 is 25% better than the E350. The Jetta diesel is 38% better, but then the gas version only gets 29 mpg highway on premium while a Malibu with the 4 gets 33 mpg highway on regular. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/diesel.shtml
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 3:14 pm) Just making a few observations. The forum title is Diesel in the News. One can comment on a news article without actually owning a diesel. And as to something better for the environment my PPB blows gassers and diesels right out of the water. You may want to check out the following link: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/12/ford-fusion-hyb.html#more The car could be a serious competitor for diesel cars like the Jetta. (PPB = pedal powered bike)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 11, 2008 4:08 pm) As far as different cars. In the Mercedes you would want to compare the E320 CDI to the V8 model to get the closest driving experience. Even the very poor EPA gives the diesel version a combined 35% increase in mileage. In real life driver's report on average getting 45% better with the diesel over the gas "E" car. That would be Premium required on the gasser. The ML and GL are very similar comparisons. Those reporting mileage on the 2009 Jetta TDI are doing 40% better than the gas counterpart. And if you drive a few hundred miles in the diesel version you will understand why so many would pay more per gallon for the diesel. I am personally hoping that diesel remains higher at least until I get a chance to try the new X5 diesel and make my choice between my 3 diesel choices. Unless someone else brings a diesel SUV into the mix. My goal is a full size SUV that gets near 30 MPG out on the highway. I know one man with a GL320 CDI that consistently gets 28 MPG on the highway. Never under 20 just short city trips. That beats the heck out of my 17 MPG on the highway with the Sequoia. |
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