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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 8:13 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 8:32 am) The fact they do not allow bio diesel engineering specifications(to be able to come to market with bio diesel CARS) is further evidence of bio diesel not being a policy player in alternative fuels. It can be almost TOTALLY domestic to being world wide fungible !!!!!! I have seen E85 EPA truck/suv ratings and they consume 25% MORE than EVEN the so called oxygenated RUG to PUG. Using MORE to "use LESS" is NOT a good definition of conservation!!??? It also costs the same or more per gal, so the cost per mile driven is ever higher. Longer term my so called dual fuel take would be EV (250 to 500 mile range with 2 hour recharge time) with a bio diesel secondary. The range would be from 950 to 1200 miles !!! SAVE and process that bacon grease and put solar arrays on your roofs and car roofs!!? ! That secondary alternative fuel would create an outlet demand for alternative fuel from algae and ongoing industrial/food processes. |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 7:38 am) RUG is the real deal for now. RUG is at $1.759 while diesel is $2.864 here. The Math: 41 to 54% always beats 20 to 40%. It is all about the money. 
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 3:10 pm) I can see you are in the burning more is better for the environment camp !!! You have made that case very loud and very clear. 38 mpg gasser is better than 50 mpg diesel !!! The defacto 22 mpg also says so with the current standards  27 mpg. Works for me! I am hedged either way or both ways as the prices always fluctuated especially during the winter. What do you care as you don't drive a diesel anyway!?
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 3:10 pm) |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 3:10 pm) Again your time frame is so short. It was not that long ago that Diesel was cheaper than gas most of the year. And the difference where you are is extreme. Most vehicles that have both gas and diesel options are getting about 40% better mileage highway. If you are a city only driver maybe a hybrid would be a better choice. In San Diego the percentage of diesel over Gas is the highest it has been as long as I can remember. Gas will go up. The chances of diesel going up at the same percentage is highly unlikely. There is a very large population here that has access to diesel at $2.19 per gallon. While gas is as cheap as $1.59 per gallon. That is 28% higher. Still a better deal for most diesel drivers in So CA. When oil hit its peak diesel was only about 3% higher here than gas. So no time in my memory would a gas vehicle be preferable to a diesel from a mileage standpoint. And for driving, the diesel is head and shoulders above all the gas vehicles I have driven. Your preference for gas is your prerogative. I respect that. It just does not make good sense to me when the diesel option is available. That being the main obstacle to owning a diesel. I cannot see myself ever buying another new gas vehicle. That is my preference after owning both.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 4:30 pm) I have been researching the 2009 TDI app $22,000, and www.tdiclub information indicates no issues getting 45 mpg with many easily getting 48-50. So 29k-22k= $7,000 in diesel fuel. I am sure a gasser user can run the break even with this information. I was almost reluctant to ask how the (gasser) 18 mpg, 2009 Toyota Landcruisers $73,000 were selling  The site is as near as I can figure a 12 acre lot and the lot was PACKED with inventory. Now I don't know if that was a good thing.... or not!? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 7:55 am) Honda is one of the most successful car companies in the world. Their engines are often second to none, but you seem to think they are making a mistake. My bet is with Honda.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 6:14 pm) It would be a better bet with US market Honda cTDI's. I'd love to get upwards of 56 mpg in a Honda Civic in a daily commute, where we get a pretty stellar 38-42 in a gasser.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 6:14 pm) Honda has done well in the USA for one good reason. Americans have a 0-60 MPH mentality. Honda did not do well in the EU until they adopted diesel engines. VW is far and away bigger than Honda world wide. Because of the exchange rate they have not penetrated our market well since the 1980s. They have not taken the hit here in the USA that Honda has. My bet is with VW on the diesels. This will be an interesting time in the US auto industry. I am assuming that VW is on track with their new plant in TN.
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