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quote- Most of the world relies on diesel rather than gasoline for transportation fuel and heating demand. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA) the world consumed just 0.75 gallons of gasoline for every gallon of diesel in 2005, and the refinery system was configured to produce the two fuels in roughly the same proportion (https://customers.reuters.com/d/graphic s/FL_CNSP1208.gif). The U.S. petroleum economy is highly unusual in that it is tilted towards consumption and production of gasoline. The United States consumes almost two gallons of gasoline (1.97) for every gallon of diesel; the European Union consumes only 0.40 gallons and China consumes 0.48 gallons. Until recently, that led to a mutually beneficial trade, with the United States exporting surplus diesel, while Europe and China exported surplus gasoline (https://customers.reuters.com/d/graphic s/REFINEPRDS1208.htm). -end Bleak Outlook for US Refiners
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 02, 2008 4:32 pm) As per EIA.gov figures 46% (of a barrel of oil 42 gals) are RUG to PUG (19.3 gals) and 23.4% is D2 (9.83 gals). link title So if you just let the car population be 23% diesel, you will STRUCTURALLY decrease RUG to PUG demand, ie import almost exponentially less barrels of oil. Simultaneously we need to let engines that are DESIGNED to burn bio diesel that will use the waste products generated by on going domestic manufacturing processes. Indeed algae shows enormous promise in generating both bio diesel and food and who knows what else. Algae also eats C02 and a by product is OXYGEN !!!!!
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 02, 2008 5:06 pm) You do realize that much of the exports are just oil coming in from Mexico that gets refined and shipped back to Mexico, right??? By now I suspect everyone has seen the following: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-12-07-honda-diesel_N.htm So much for diesel cars making big inroads in America. There is also a one-year delay in a Valero hydrocracker project at Port Arthur, Texas. The hydrocracker would have made additional distillate/diesel. Add in all the other delays in refinery expansions and one can assume that the RUG/PUG to diesel spread will stay. AAA has RUG $1.698 - 54% cheaper PUG $1.868 - 41% cheaper Diesel $2.629
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 4:41 am) So local prices snap shot D2 $2.39 RUG $1.71 PUG $1.99 When RUG to PUG users can somehow mitigate the 20-40% advantage D2 has, then RUG to PUG will be the deal !!! It is firmly entrenched that burning more IS better for the environment than burning less !!!! You are just spouting the party line. Till that time, I am ok with you ignoring the math. So given the differences, diesel burners remain in THE perfect storm. Mine is at 111,000 miles and rolling along. Indeed there is a much larger sizeable population (than diesel- diesel cars being less than 2%) of PUG users that pay more per mile driven. This really is almost totally ignored.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Dec 09, 2008 4:41 am) Sadly the BMW X5 seems to be slow getting to the USA. Dealer keeps calling for me to put in my order. I told him I wanted to test drive the vehicle before I even think about it much harder. Looks like January before they show up in the showrooms. The diesels are the only Mercedes that are selling well according to the sales man that calls me. Could be sales pitch also. I want at least one of each gas and diesel. Then I am covered when they start rationing gas. This cheap gas will not last forever. Then you will wish you had that diesel to get decent mileage on $4 plus fuel. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 7:55 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 8:13 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 09, 2008 8:32 am) The fact they do not allow bio diesel engineering specifications(to be able to come to market with bio diesel CARS) is further evidence of bio diesel not being a policy player in alternative fuels. It can be almost TOTALLY domestic to being world wide fungible !!!!!! I have seen E85 EPA truck/suv ratings and they consume 25% MORE than EVEN the so called oxygenated RUG to PUG. Using MORE to "use LESS" is NOT a good definition of conservation!!??? It also costs the same or more per gal, so the cost per mile driven is ever higher. Longer term my so called dual fuel take would be EV (250 to 500 mile range with 2 hour recharge time) with a bio diesel secondary. The range would be from 950 to 1200 miles !!! SAVE and process that bacon grease and put solar arrays on your roofs and car roofs!!? ! That secondary alternative fuel would create an outlet demand for alternative fuel from algae and ongoing industrial/food processes. |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 09, 2008 7:38 am) RUG is the real deal for now. RUG is at $1.759 while diesel is $2.864 here. The Math: 41 to 54% always beats 20 to 40%. It is all about the money. 
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