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Re: Porsche Diesel [gagrice] by roland3
Nov 23, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 23, 2008 5:22 am)

... Good point from Europe. It seems to me that there is too much attention to the tailpipe and obviously not the big overall carbon picture. There also seems to be little attention paid to what goes up the stacks of the refineries.
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Re: Porsche Diesel [roland3] by ruking1
Nov 23, 2008 (11:24 am)
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Indeed the Big Three's recent "tribulations" have finally let the facts come to light that DEMOCRATS have ALL ALONG ( least 53 years!?) been major cheerleaders for quashing higher fuel standards, aka Michigan's House of Representatives and acknowledged DEAN (Democrat) The Honorable John D. Dingell.
 
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I would say they have done a fine job !!! So while you can say even they can see the writing on the wall; INXS of 25 B on top of the already 25 B for the recent passage of 2012 fuel standards is an absolute slam dunk no brainer.
 
It is not hard to come to the conclusion diesels do not play much of a role in this equation.
 
However this is precisely why getting a good diesel if and when you can might be the smart move.
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Re: Porsche Diesel [gagrice] by alltorque
Nov 24, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 23, 2008 5:22 am)

Gagrice, the pleasure is mine and, I presume, Jose's. Just highlights that something ain't right in your car industry.
 
Recommend you watch the latest Top Gear prog, (was aired here in U.K. last night). The three lads got to drive from Basel in Switzerland to Blackpool in U.K. Approx 750miles - the challenge being to do it on only one tank of fuel. Hammond chose a VW Polo 1.4 TDi "Bluemotion", May ran a Subaru Legacy Tourer diesel and Clarkson had a Jaguar XJ 2.7 twin-turbo diesel, (on the grounds that it was a stupid challenge). Hammond just got there first at around 84mpg. After a lot of faffing about, (incl some 70mph cruising to prove his point that it couldn't be done), Clarkson arrived shortly after and May - well, he may still be driving around the U.K. The amazing outcome was that the big Jag showed that it was capable of around 1000 miles on a tankful of diesel, if driven sensibly.
 
Outstanding economy for such a car. Well worth watching if/when you can. Should be on BBC iPlayer if you can access it. All the mpg figures are Imperial, of course, so you'll need to do the conversions for USgals.
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Re: Porsche Diesel [alltorque] by ruking1
Nov 24, 2008 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 24, 2008 7:39 am)

For us that use the 128 oz gal, 84 imp=
 
69.94 mpg
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Re: Porsche Diesel [ruking1] by alltorque
Nov 24, 2008 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 24, 2008 8:27 am)

Still sounds pretty good. A quick n'dirty calc would suggest the Jag was running at around 45mpg US. Believe it's an 80 litre tank.
 
No wonder they were all astounded.
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Re: Porsche Diesel [alltorque] by ruking1
Nov 24, 2008 (9:26 am)
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45 mpg!!! WAY cool. Again the US car industry is the repository for gas guzzlers. So as an example, I have a close Aunt/Uncle whose (late model) Jag gets 12-15 mpg and they say they are lucky to get THAT !!!!! 45 miles per gal the twin turbo diesel gets 3 times to 3.75 x better mileage !!!!!! This might be a good reason why our K-12 school system pooh poohs mathematics? Our "leaders" still don't get it. But they still generate a lot of hot air about it.
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Re: Porsche Diesel [alltorque] by jlbl
Nov 24, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 24, 2008 7:39 am)

Gagrice, the pleasure is mine and, I presume, Jose's. Just highlights that something ain't right in your car industry.
 
Sure it's my pleasure too.
 
There are so many good diesel cars over here… practically the full range of asians, europeans, and the USA big three brands offer diesels, from the biggest to the smallest models.
 
I'm not a diesel apostle. In my life I´ve driven gassers and diesels and enjoyed both. My conclusion is: driving a diesel through torque is at least as fun as it can be driving a gasser to the redline but more fuel efficient.
 
That said, I must say that by no means I'm a hypermiler. I like to drive agile. I enjoyed my last 530d and I enjoy even more my current 335d. I much liked a 118d I drove extensively last winter; she was an excellent blend of performance and economy.
 
My point is that opting between gassers and clean diesels is a good choice which can be made almost everywhere. Why not in the USA? Let the buyers decide. (Please do not forget legislation also is environment ally conservative over here.)
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Porsche Diesel [jlbl] by houdini1
Nov 24, 2008 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 24, 2008 12:07 pm)

Jose, how are you doing? Glad to see you posting in the diesel forum. For sure, we get very few diesels over here to the tune that it is almost criminal. Our gov. preaches fuel and oil conservation but makes laws to promote just the opposite. Ridiculous.
 
I hope you are doing well and enjoying your 335d. I just bought a 2006 LS 430 and believe it or not, after about 1,000 miles, according to the computer (and me verifying at fill ups), I am averaging about 23.5 mpg overall. That v-8 is sweet and at a steady 70 on the freeway gets around 31 mpg. A very pleasant surprise.
 
Another pleasant surprise, with the collapse of oil prices, gasoline prices in Kansas City area have dropped from a high of around $4.50 to around $1.50 per gal. So I am saving a few dollars at the pump (and losing thousands in the stock market).
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Re: Porsche Diesel [houdini1] by jlbl
Nov 25, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 24, 2008 7:10 pm)

Hey Dan, nice to hear from you.
 
I'm doing reasonably well, given the circumstances.
 
My 335d coupe is a joy now that her engine is easing after 12500 miles. The only thing I miss is manually shifting—though I use to drive her in M mode most of the time. I'm really satisfied with this car. 530d was more fuel efficient, but 335d is more a driver's machine.
 
Thanks for asking,
Regards,
Jose
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From the NYT today.. by kdhspyder
Nov 25, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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There's a good ride and drive report on the writer's time in the new Jetta TDI. It's a good fair appraisal IMO.
 
Jetta TDI

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