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World's Largest Diesel Engine by gagrice
Nov 04, 2008 (9:44 am)
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The worlds biggest engine is the Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C. It is a turbo charged two stroke diesel engine and it is the most powerful and efficient low revolution engine in the world today.
The Wartsila-Sulser is manufactured by the Aioi Works in Japan and is part of Japans Diesel United Ltd engine manufacturers.
These engines are built in 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14 cylinder configurations. All the engines are straight or 'inline'. The diameter of each cylinder is 3 foot 2 inches with a stroke of 8 foot 2 inches. The 12 cylinder version weighs in at 2000 metric tons and delivers 90,000 Horse Power at 100 Revs per minute, with best fuel economy at 53,244 HP at 90 Rpm.
When I mention economy, the 14 cylinder engine for example with a displacement of 25,480 Litres ( 1.56 million cubic inches ) burns up 1,660 gallons of crude ("bunker") oil every hour..The Mathematical calculation : 1,660 gallons/per hour = 39.5 barrels of crude oil/used per hour = $2,844. These figures are worked out from the basis of crude oil $72 a barrel*.

 

 
My question is how much pollution this produces per hour with 3000+ PPM sulfur bunker oil? I thought Japan was at the leading edge of cutting pollution. Isn't Kyoto a Japanese word? Maybe they made a deal that they will sell so many Prius for each one of these monsters.
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [gagrice] by alltorque
Nov 04, 2008 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 04, 2008 9:44 am)

Indeed, a mighty diesel.................ain't going to fit into my Volvo though. Kyoto is a Japanese city, BTW.
 
To get some idea of what this super-diesel powers, go here :
 
Emma Maersk
 
Do read the section on "Engine and Environment". Lots of pics around the 'net, of this, the world's largest ship, if you're interested
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [gagrice] by roland3
Nov 04, 2008 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 04, 2008 9:44 am)

... The thing that gets me, and seemingly no one else, if it's burning crude or the least refined product, why is there not more talk of the HUGE wastefulness going on at many refineries. Every refiner on Earth ought to have a moral or legal obligation to produce power from all the end gasses that they either burn off or release to the atmosphere. So sometimes these monsters can burn oil right out of the ground. What is the bottom line, big picture, of power produced to the entire pollution output ???
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [roland3] by alltorque
Nov 04, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Nov 04, 2008 12:28 pm)

Oil refineries use huge amounts of power and the ones I know of generate that power on-site.............but I must admit there is a gap in my knowledge as to the fuel(s) used by the on-site generation plants. I'd always assumed it was refinery by-products but now I come to think of it, that assumption is merely that - an assumption; i.e. no facts to back it up.
 
Anyone on here have the answer ?
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [alltorque] by roland3
Nov 04, 2008 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 04, 2008 1:27 pm)

... I've been aware for many years that these giant engines can run crude right out of the ground; however as far as I know it's only done in an emergency. It amazes me to think of how much could be saved if crude could be filtered and maybe heated, with no other steps, but it would have to be mighty sweet to be low enough sulphur.
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [roland3] by roland3
Nov 05, 2008 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Nov 04, 2008 8:57 pm)

... Just think of it, they completely eliminated the refinery. Alright, so it needs scrubbers in the stack(s).
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [roland3] by gagrice
Nov 05, 2008 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Nov 04, 2008 8:57 pm)

but it would have to be mighty sweet to be low enough sulphur.
 
If you compare crude prices around the World you see a big variation. A lot of that has to do with the Sulfur content. Iranian crude is very high in sulfur and not as much in demand. I read that these big bunker oil engines will run whatever you feed them. So that does not bode well for the air quality where they are being used. I would imagine that the main purpose in building those engines is to use the cheapest crude they can find.
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [gagrice] by roland3
Nov 05, 2008 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2008 6:52 am)

... Gary, one of my points is, that they took the refinery, next store or a hundred miles away, completely out of the loop. So, with stack scrubbers, (on the engine) how much is the overall air quality ahead, not to mention all the other leftover usable and non-usable byproducts.
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [roland3] by gagrice
Nov 05, 2008 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Nov 05, 2008 9:15 am)

That does present a different picture. If you burn crude or bunker oil as it is called how much goes out the exhaust? Maybe they could build a mini refinery attached to the exhaust and extract some of the byproducts that are valuable.
 
If you are thinking of it for smaller engines I would say the obstacles would be tremendous. Just going from 130 to 500 PPM sulfur will plug up a modern diesel exhaust system. So with 3000 PPM or more in bunker oil it would be tough.
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Re: World's Largest Diesel Engine [gagrice] by ruking1
Nov 06, 2008 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2008 12:55 pm)

This is what is almost totally galling. The same governments that literally go into absolute hysterics when D2 to B100 are seen as better fuel choices over RUG to PUG and emit 15 ppm to in some cases ZERO sulfur ppm AND are mitigated to literally the n TH degree: almost glee fully allow to aggressively promote under the cloak of GLOBAL TRADE, the totally unmitigated release of 200 X to almost exponentially greater sulfur ppm and with much greater volume.
 
On the other hand I have aunts and uncles (early 70's) who literally for the last generation( 30-40 years ) have taken cruise ships tours (aka 3000 to 5000 ppm BUNKER OIL USERS (unmitigated of course) !!??) a min of 4 times per year, 2 weeks per trip (not to mention the cars, boats and planes ancillary to said trips) and not only have had absolute BLASTS the WHOLE time, but are almost literally in the peak of health (respiratory to be germane, sans all that food they try to stuff you with while on board) They still play tennis and volleyball for pete's sakes in between bike riding, running, gym work outs......

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