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Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings by larsb
Oct 07, 2008 (10:04 am)
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Gary, maybe this is your next diesel SUV:
 
Audi says "just TRY to smell our exhaust - Try It !!!
 
It's day 2 and we're well into the next leg--getting a rating of 29 mpg--as we wind through the hilly Maryland and Pennsylvania countryside. Traffic has been lighter, and we're employing some coasting and drafting techniques to bolster fuel economy. We've also deviated from the Audi agenda, making stops at a Starbucks for a caffeine fix and at a Civil War battlefield in rural Maryland.
 
So, things are going smoothly. The Q7s are well-appointed and the low-end torque has made for enjoyable driving. Check back here for more updates.
 
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [larsb] by ruking1
Oct 07, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 07, 2008 10:04 am)

On the face of it 29 mpg does NOT sound like good mpg! While a Q7 diesel gets 29 mpg, it would be interesting to be able to compare what a Q7 gasser would get. It is understandable in that they would not want to truncate the sales of Q7 gassers!?
 
A known comparison, on a 2003 VW Jetta TDI 50 mpg, vs a 2003 Jetta 2.0 RUG /1.8T PUG struggling to get 30 mpg. (40 %)
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [ruking1] by larsb
Oct 07, 2008 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Oct 07, 2008 10:15 am)

Well, you gotta take info consideration the size and amenities of the vehicle.
 
29 MPG for a vehicle that nice and that large is indeed a technical accomplishment.
 
Sure, a diesel Smart can get around 65 MPG, but that's the size vehicle you get for that performance.
 
Getting 29 MPG out of almost a full-size SUV weighing in at 5000 pounds is pretty darn good.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [larsb] by ruking1
Oct 07, 2008 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 07, 2008 10:27 am)

The secondary issue (given 29 mpg) is really the comparison!? (diesel vs gasser) NOT the VW vs Smart car, examples, etc.
 
However we are glad you are coming around to the issue we have been saying all along:
 
..."Getting 29 MPG out of almost a full-size SUV weighing in at 5000 pounds is pretty darn good."...
 
especially since like gassers MIGHT get between 15-19 mpg.
 
There is really another quite unseen, hidden in plain sight issue. The current standard is 27 mpg with a defacto 22 mpg fleet wide. With the 2012 new 35 mpg standards; (keeping the same RATIOS) 29 mpg exceeds (not by much) the new (TBD) defacto ratio! It certainly EXCEEDS the current standard of 27 mpg. It goes without saying, or is very obvious; it is way better than the defacto 22 mpg.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [ruking1] by larsb
Oct 07, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Oct 07, 2008 10:51 am)

Sorry, I haven't "come around" to anything.
 
I would have said that same statement 4 years ago.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [larsb] by ruking1
Oct 07, 2008 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 07, 2008 10:58 am)

You might say that but, we know your past postings.....
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [larsb] by gagrice
Oct 07, 2008 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 07, 2008 10:04 am)

I had heard that Audi was thinking of bringing the Q7 diesel to the US. Of the 3 choices, I like the Q7 the least. Looks I like the X5 best with the ML320 CDI next. I would expect any of the 3 to get close to 30 MPG if driven reasonably.
 
From the size and weight. I would say a person would be lucky to get 15 MPG on the Premium gas version. If they get here before I get antsy to buy, I will give them a test drive.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [ruking1] by larsb
Oct 07, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Oct 07, 2008 11:02 am)

I know my past postings too, and I have never said that diesel vehicles do not get good mileage Never have I typed that.
 
The only thing I have opposed in regard to diesel is the dirty exhaust. Once that issue is resolved, then I've got nothing but admiration for clean diesel technology.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [larsb] by ruking1
Oct 07, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Oct 07, 2008 11:34 am)

You have been dispensing that dastardly, didactic, dirty diesel dysfunctional discourse for far too long! Like I said, it is good you are disabused from your dissonate dissuasions!
 
The 2003 TDI's (5-8 year time frame) were designed (as years way before then) to run on ULSD ! So your mantra has NOTbeen true for 2 years BEFORE the 4 years since you have said you have been posting!! You are the author of your OWN disarticulation.
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Re: Another carmaker showcasing it's diesel offerings [ruking1] by larsb
Oct 07, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Oct 07, 2008 12:00 pm)

No, I haven't been "dispensing" anything but the TRUFE, my man.
 
Regardless of how "future proof" the V-Dub designers were with the 2003 TDI, it did not meet the "sniff test" for being a clean diesel vehicle. Still does not.
 
Let's not rehash this argument. We both know I am right.

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