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Re: Uh-Oh [ruking1] by ruking1
Sep 27, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 26, 2008 11:42 am)

This link might be old news, but further evidence Toyota's recent decision (to suspend indefinitely diesel development) probably puts it behind the "DIESEL" power curve. GM might be far further along than they might have /continue to publically acknowledge/d and most folks may think. This might be in stark contrast to what some higher ranking GM officials (Lutz) might have gone on record saying.
 
..."The premium V-8 diesel engine is expected to deliver class-leading refinement, horsepower and torque and fulfill multiple vehicle applications (bold and larger font, my sic) with ratings in excess of 310 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque. For my .02 cents killer applications would be: 1. rear wheel drive Cadillac turbo diesel touring car 2. twin turbo diesel Corvette (touring edition. (45-70 mpg as per an old Larsb post)
 
GM (Opel, Saab, Vauxhall and GMDAT ) currently offers 17 diesel engine variants in 45 vehicle lines around the world. GM sells more than one million diesel engines annually, with products that offer a range of choices from the 1.3L four-cylinder diesel engine sold in the Opel Agila and Corsa, up to the 6.6L V-8 Duramax diesel sold in full-size vans, heavy duty pickups and medium duty trucks in the U.S."..
 
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Not to get excessively wordy, but if they (Congress on through the food/logistical chain) really plan to implement less dependence on foreign oil, the current refining technology proffers a mathmatical certainty : that IF we continue to use RUG to PUG, D#2 HAS to be produced. (actually it is vice versa) (see eia.gov, what is in a barrel of oil)
 
In the very unlikely case of being able to EXPORT most of US domestic oil production, we would be in the opposite sides of the ledger, in being able to EXPORT D2 to European markets !! ( 98% US passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG, less than 49% European passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG)
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Re: Uh-Oh [ruking1] by alltorque
Sep 27, 2008 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 27, 2008 9:40 am)

Then, of course, you need to factor in all the diesels that Ford, VW/AUDIGroup and Mercedes make/sell worldwide for similar applications plus the Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, Fiat, (incl Alfa Romeo), BMW and Chrysler group oil-burners. Then there are the Diesels from Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Misubishi, Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Mazda................have I forgotten anyone ?
 
The World is awash with small-to-medium Diesels and we get 'em all here in Europe. We even get a diesel Cadillac, (albeit only the BLS which is just a re-bodied old Saab).
 
Come on USA - get with the programme, (please note correct spelling ). The orchard's full of low-hanging fruit. Just needs picking.
 
I do like the idea of a proper GT car - a real Grand Tourer, not a hyperactive screamer - with a big diesel. I suspect that Audi will put it into production first with the R8 and we've already seen the prototype but a V8 Diesel Corvette or XKR or DB9 would be a hoot. Wouldn't be too surprised to see a Diesel Bentley appear at some stage, either. Now that would be ultra cool, IMO.
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Re: diesels in old news [gagrice] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 26, 2008 3:36 pm)

Gary says, "Otherwise why did the price of diesel start going up right in line with VW, MB & BMW launching 50 state diesels?"
 
We've already gone over that Gary. Having problems remembering to take your memory pills?
 
The "reason" diesel prices went are clear to anyone without an ingrained diesel bias.
 
The "reason" prices are coming down now are just as clear.
 
Apparently, "THEY" (whomever THEY are) are losing their ability to "keep diesel prices artificially high to keep diesel cars out of the country."
 
Such drivel. Absolute drivel.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by gagrice
Sep 29, 2008 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 4:33 am)

(whomever THEY are)
 
Speaking of which, How's Toto?
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Re: diesels in old news [gagrice] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 29, 2008 6:11 am)

Don't own a dog; never been to Kansas. Do understand the fuel markets pretty well though, and I understand the American Buyer's view on diesel cars.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by ruking1
Sep 29, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 6:47 am)

Had a dog. I have been to Kansas. We all pretty much understand fuel markets. We all pretty much understand the American buyers view on diesel cars. It is hard to buy any more than 2% passenger diesel population when there are not any more on the market to pump the population up.
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Re: diesels in old news [ruking1] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 29, 2008 6:51 am)

ruking1 says, "We all pretty much understand fuel markets."
 
Well, there ARE exceptions to every rule.
 
Anyone who thinks there are "Anti-Diesel Ninjas" out there somewhere whispering in the ears of the regulators to "Kill The Diesel Cars" doesn't quite get it.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by ruking1
Sep 29, 2008 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 6:56 am)

ALA Contrare. The problem is we (but as you say there are exceptions to the rule ; or perhaps the exception IS the rule) get it all TOO well. I really have no qualms about most people paying more per mile driven. I just would rather not, if I have the choice. So it is pretty obvious why the choices are deliberately limited.
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Re: diesels in old news [ruking1] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 29, 2008 6:58 am)

ruking1 says, "So it is pretty obvious why the choices are deliberately limited. "
 
Saying that puts you outside the group who understands the issue.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by ruking1
Sep 29, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 7:08 am)

You might take that stance because you never had a dog nor been to Kansas.
 
Let's put it another way. The slow leak of diesels into the "system" is threatening at whole complexes of different levels.

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