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Re: Uh-Oh [larsb] by ruking1
Sep 26, 2008 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 25, 2008 2:25 pm)

What a real interesting scenario, when I agree with LARSB !! I really think you are spot on in this assessment. Toyota will be STILL be behind; as they were when they came out with the T100.
 
Cummins is doing a plant upgrade (I posted I think a long while back) as they are coming out witha 150/1500 series V8 diesel engine !! 300 to 350 hp and something like 475-575 # ft of torque!? Woo HOO for those that want/ need this platform/product ! It would also be a hoot if they could get this pp into a larger sedan type vehicle. It could be a top notched platform, especially if it could pull down 35 mpg and/or better !
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Re: diesels in old news [kdhspyder] by dworthen
Sep 26, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 26, 2008 10:34 am)

My single largest reason for promoting diesels, you can operate the engine
on multiple types of alternative fuels. I could name 20 different feedstocks and more. If I leave out coal oil, "we don't have much of that, do we!" All the rest are renewable. With a near zero CO2 footprint. What you exhaust to the air is mostly absorbed by the plants that you get your next gallon of fuel from. Diesels ability to use alternative fuels is the single largest factor, why you can't buy a 2008 diesel accord!!! What am I going to do with all that dino oil. Follow the money!!! Nature's key to survival is diversity. Conservation and diversity is our key!!!
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Re: diesels in old news [dworthen] by gagrice
Sep 26, 2008 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: dworthen (Sep 26, 2008 1:20 pm)

Diesels ability to use alternative fuels is the single largest factor, why you can't buy a 2008 diesel accord!!!
 
I think you are just about spot on. Otherwise why did the price of diesel start going up right in line with VW, MB & BMW launching 50 state diesels? Alternative biodiesel fuel will become feasible and practical. The argument is they have not done that to ethanol. Well they sure did in the 1980s with sugar ethanol that is a threat to fossil fuel. Not to corn ethanol. That is a BIG money maker for the oil companies. It takes at least as much fossil energy to grow and distill corn ethanol as you get BTUs in return.
 
Honda may still be trying to get 50 state approval. I thought they had it a year ago.
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Re: Prius loses again [cdnpinhead] by 104wb
Sep 26, 2008 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 26, 2008 4:49 am)

"I have clearly been out-pinheaded. Wow, I had no idea."
  
Is there any way that I can take that as a compliment?
 
"Looks like the hot ticket is to drive a fully-loaded class 8 truck (80,000 lbs) that gets 7 mpg."
 
It is the hot ticket if you want to move 60,000 pounds. It's none of my business how much work you want to do with your vehicle. That's for the government to dictate, apparently, by regulating fuel economy instead of fuel efficiency. A class 8 diesel is an efficient way of doing it though. You won't find any class 8s with spark ignition engines.
  
"Next stop -- freight trains."
 
Correct. Hybrid-diesel technology, and the most fuel efficient form of transportation on Earth. Won't find any SI engines there, either.
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Re: Uh-Oh [ruking1] by ruking1
Sep 27, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 26, 2008 11:42 am)

This link might be old news, but further evidence Toyota's recent decision (to suspend indefinitely diesel development) probably puts it behind the "DIESEL" power curve. GM might be far further along than they might have /continue to publically acknowledge/d and most folks may think. This might be in stark contrast to what some higher ranking GM officials (Lutz) might have gone on record saying.
 
..."The premium V-8 diesel engine is expected to deliver class-leading refinement, horsepower and torque and fulfill multiple vehicle applications (bold and larger font, my sic) with ratings in excess of 310 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque. For my .02 cents killer applications would be: 1. rear wheel drive Cadillac turbo diesel touring car 2. twin turbo diesel Corvette (touring edition. (45-70 mpg as per an old Larsb post)
 
GM (Opel, Saab, Vauxhall and GMDAT ) currently offers 17 diesel engine variants in 45 vehicle lines around the world. GM sells more than one million diesel engines annually, with products that offer a range of choices from the 1.3L four-cylinder diesel engine sold in the Opel Agila and Corsa, up to the 6.6L V-8 Duramax diesel sold in full-size vans, heavy duty pickups and medium duty trucks in the U.S."..
 
link title
 
Not to get excessively wordy, but if they (Congress on through the food/logistical chain) really plan to implement less dependence on foreign oil, the current refining technology proffers a mathmatical certainty : that IF we continue to use RUG to PUG, D#2 HAS to be produced. (actually it is vice versa) (see eia.gov, what is in a barrel of oil)
 
In the very unlikely case of being able to EXPORT most of US domestic oil production, we would be in the opposite sides of the ledger, in being able to EXPORT D2 to European markets !! ( 98% US passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG, less than 49% European passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG)
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Re: Uh-Oh [ruking1] by alltorque
Sep 27, 2008 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 27, 2008 9:40 am)

Then, of course, you need to factor in all the diesels that Ford, VW/AUDIGroup and Mercedes make/sell worldwide for similar applications plus the Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, Fiat, (incl Alfa Romeo), BMW and Chrysler group oil-burners. Then there are the Diesels from Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Misubishi, Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Mazda................have I forgotten anyone ?
 
The World is awash with small-to-medium Diesels and we get 'em all here in Europe. We even get a diesel Cadillac, (albeit only the BLS which is just a re-bodied old Saab).
 
Come on USA - get with the programme, (please note correct spelling ). The orchard's full of low-hanging fruit. Just needs picking.
 
I do like the idea of a proper GT car - a real Grand Tourer, not a hyperactive screamer - with a big diesel. I suspect that Audi will put it into production first with the R8 and we've already seen the prototype but a V8 Diesel Corvette or XKR or DB9 would be a hoot. Wouldn't be too surprised to see a Diesel Bentley appear at some stage, either. Now that would be ultra cool, IMO.
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Re: diesels in old news [gagrice] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 26, 2008 3:36 pm)

Gary says, "Otherwise why did the price of diesel start going up right in line with VW, MB & BMW launching 50 state diesels?"
 
We've already gone over that Gary. Having problems remembering to take your memory pills?
 
The "reason" diesel prices went are clear to anyone without an ingrained diesel bias.
 
The "reason" prices are coming down now are just as clear.
 
Apparently, "THEY" (whomever THEY are) are losing their ability to "keep diesel prices artificially high to keep diesel cars out of the country."
 
Such drivel. Absolute drivel.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by gagrice
Sep 29, 2008 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 4:33 am)

(whomever THEY are)
 
Speaking of which, How's Toto?
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Re: diesels in old news [gagrice] by larsb
Sep 29, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 29, 2008 6:11 am)

Don't own a dog; never been to Kansas. Do understand the fuel markets pretty well though, and I understand the American Buyer's view on diesel cars.
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Re: diesels in old news [larsb] by ruking1
Sep 29, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 29, 2008 6:47 am)

Had a dog. I have been to Kansas. We all pretty much understand fuel markets. We all pretty much understand the American buyers view on diesel cars. It is hard to buy any more than 2% passenger diesel population when there are not any more on the market to pump the population up.

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