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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 25, 2008 3:59 pm) At that time I looked only at the hatchbacks. Under similar circumstances today only the Prius and the SportWagon would be under consideration. However being basically cheap in regards to transportation if I was in the market today I'd look first to find a good USED hatchback like a $14000 - $15000 Prius for the best combo of utility and fuel economy. |
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 26, 2008 4:49 am)  
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Check the date of this article. Not to mention the speeds and mileage achieved. Over four years ago and( I still can't buy this car!!!) Honda Diesel Sets New World Records Date: May 07, 2004 18:07 Submitted by: Jeff Source: Honda UK PR Credibility Rating: N/A Honda’s new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 imperial mpg, ~76.6 US mpg) fuel economy to boot. British racing driver Robin Liddell and freelance journalist Iain Robertson were part of the European record-setting team. Amongst the speed records set, which were all achieved in Production Car Class B (2000 – 2500 cc), were 133.04 mph (1 mile flying start), 84.25 mph (1 mile standing start) and an average speed of 130.38 mph over a 24-hour endurance period. These records were all set at Papenburg high-speed oval test track in north-west Germany on 1 and 2 May, and are all subject to FIA ratification. Two production cars, randomly selected by FIA officials, were used to undertake the speed records, and apart from the fitting of roll-cages, racing harnesses and radio equipment for track-to-pits communication, no other modifications were made to the cars. Following the speed record attempts, the same two cars were then driven 419 miles from Papenburg test track to Wiesbaden, near Frankfurt in order to complete the fuel economy run. The route comprised of a mixture of motorway and non-motorway driving, during which one of the Accords achieved a staggering 92 imperial mpg (US mpg=~76.6) average. GO FIGURE!!
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Replying to: dworthen (Sep 26, 2008 6:44 am) But it's going to be pricey and unfortunately hidden away in Honda's closet, IOW its Acura stores.
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 25, 2008 2:25 pm)  I really think you are spot on in this assessment. Toyota will be STILL be behind; as they were when they came out with the T100. Cummins is doing a plant upgrade (I posted I think a long while back) as they are coming out witha 150/1500 series V8 diesel engine !! 300 to 350 hp and something like 475-575 # ft of torque!? Woo HOO for those that want/ need this platform/product ! It would also be a hoot if they could get this pp into a larger sedan type vehicle. It could be a top notched platform, especially if it could pull down 35 mpg and/or better !
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 26, 2008 10:34 am) on multiple types of alternative fuels. I could name 20 different feedstocks and more. If I leave out coal oil, "we don't have much of that, do we!" All the rest are renewable. With a near zero CO2 footprint. What you exhaust to the air is mostly absorbed by the plants that you get your next gallon of fuel from. Diesels ability to use alternative fuels is the single largest factor, why you can't buy a 2008 diesel accord!!! What am I going to do with all that dino oil. Follow the money!!! Nature's key to survival is diversity. Conservation and diversity is our key!!!
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Replying to: dworthen (Sep 26, 2008 1:20 pm) I think you are just about spot on. Otherwise why did the price of diesel start going up right in line with VW, MB & BMW launching 50 state diesels? Alternative biodiesel fuel will become feasible and practical. The argument is they have not done that to ethanol. Well they sure did in the 1980s with sugar ethanol that is a threat to fossil fuel. Not to corn ethanol. That is a BIG money maker for the oil companies. It takes at least as much fossil energy to grow and distill corn ethanol as you get BTUs in return. Honda may still be trying to get 50 state approval. I thought they had it a year ago.
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 26, 2008 4:49 am) Is there any way that I can take that as a compliment? "Looks like the hot ticket is to drive a fully-loaded class 8 truck (80,000 lbs) that gets 7 mpg." It is the hot ticket if you want to move 60,000 pounds. It's none of my business how much work you want to do with your vehicle. That's for the government to dictate, apparently, by regulating fuel economy instead of fuel efficiency. A class 8 diesel is an efficient way of doing it though. You won't find any class 8s with spark ignition engines. "Next stop -- freight trains." Correct. Hybrid-diesel technology, and the most fuel efficient form of transportation on Earth. Won't find any SI engines there, either. |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 26, 2008 11:42 am) ..."The premium V-8 diesel engine is expected to deliver class-leading refinement, horsepower and torque and fulfill multiple vehicle applications (bold and larger font, my sic) with ratings in excess of 310 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque. For my .02 cents killer applications would be: 1. rear wheel drive Cadillac turbo diesel touring car 2. twin turbo diesel Corvette (touring edition. (45-70 mpg as per an old Larsb post) GM (Opel, Saab, Vauxhall and GMDAT ) currently offers 17 diesel engine variants in 45 vehicle lines around the world. GM sells more than one million diesel engines annually, with products that offer a range of choices from the 1.3L four-cylinder diesel engine sold in the Opel Agila and Corsa, up to the 6.6L V-8 Duramax diesel sold in full-size vans, heavy duty pickups and medium duty trucks in the U.S.".. link title Not to get excessively wordy, but if they (Congress on through the food/logistical chain) really plan to implement less dependence on foreign oil, the current refining technology proffers a mathmatical certainty : that IF we continue to use RUG to PUG, D#2 HAS to be produced. (actually it is vice versa) (see eia.gov, what is in a barrel of oil) In the very unlikely case of being able to EXPORT most of US domestic oil production, we would be in the opposite sides of the ledger, in being able to EXPORT D2 to European markets !! ( 98% US passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG, less than 49% European passenger vehicle fleet uses RUG to PUG)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Sep 27, 2008 9:40 am) The World is awash with small-to-medium Diesels and we get 'em all here in Europe. We even get a diesel Cadillac, (albeit only the BLS which is just a re-bodied old Saab). Come on USA - get with the programme, (please note correct spelling ). The orchard's full of low-hanging fruit. Just needs picking. I do like the idea of a proper GT car - a real Grand Tourer, not a hyperactive screamer - with a big diesel. I suspect that Audi will put it into production first with the R8 and we've already seen the prototype but a V8 Diesel Corvette or XKR or DB9 would be a hoot. Wouldn't be too surprised to see a Diesel Bentley appear at some stage, either. Now that would be ultra cool, IMO.
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