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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [gagrice] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2008 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 9:50 am)

Here is the key statement in that article....
 
Maryland drivers face a $1,000 fine for driving on vegetable fuel if they don't register first with the state and file monthly reports and payments, according to Chuck Ulm, assistant director of motor vehicle taxes in the state comptroller's office.
 
Here is the part the EPA is playing in this game. They are watching you closely.
 
The EPA has not fined anyone for this, but the federal agency is inspecting and investigating people for not following these rules, said Roxanne Smith, another EPA spokeswoman.
 
As a protest if everyone would throw all their recycle stuff in the regular trash until the government gets their nose out of places it does not belong. We may see some action. The government is blocking alternative fuels like biodiesel, Solar electric, Nuclear electric, GeoThermal, Wind generation and more. My question is WHY?
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [larsb] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 02, 2008 9:56 am)

"we have not certified it as a fuel"
 
So let me get this straight. If the EPA does not have the manpower to send someone to certify the used cooking oil at every Chinese restaurant and fast food place it will not be legal to use as fuel? It will go back to being dumped in the landfill. That seems real smart to me.
 
Just to let you know how smart our government agencies are. They have been looking for a problem with tomatoes making our citizens sick now for months. They have devastated the tomato growing industry. Doubled the price of tomatoes at the store and have found NOTHING. Now they think it might be something besides Tomatoes. That just happens to be another agency that is supposed to be looking out for US taxpayers. You can trust the government to do the right thing. I DO NOT!
 
Tomato scare may be mistake
 
Health officials say other foods could be the source of U.S. salmonella outbreak
A growing number of health officials fear that investigators made a terrible mistake in blaming tomatoes for the sickening of more than 800 Americans, and they increasingly suspect jalapeno peppers, cilantro or some other food commonly found in Mexican restaurants, health officials involved in the investigation say.
 
The salmonella outbreak should be petering out if contaminated tomatoes were the cause, because tomatoes have a limited shelf life and many consumers have been avoiding them. Yet, the number of reported cases has continued to grow, and investigators have failed to identify the source.
 
Admission of a mistake, after consumers across the country shunned tomatoes and the food industry lost up to $250 million, could deepen criticism of a government food safety system that has been attacked for failing to prevent illnesses and deaths resulting from the contamination of a string of products, including peanut butter and bagged spinach, in recent years.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [larsb] by gagrice
Jul 02, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 02, 2008 10:00 am)

So don't try to tell me AGAIN that it is all about the money. That is total hogwashimuss maximus
 
If you read your own article you would realize it was the result of a fine being imposed on the bus company for dirty diesel buses. What that has to do with using SVO in a personal vehicle is beyond me. The retrofit to clean the buses was paid by Chevron as a result of some kind of action by the EPA and the state of Hawaii. Buses all over the USA are getting devices installed to clean the PM and Soot from the dirty diesel they are using. It would not be an issue if they were using ULSD, biodiesel or used cooking oil. The sad part is they convince a few folks that they are worth the billions we waste on them each year.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 02, 2008 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 11:32 am)

Gary says, "What that has to do with using SVO in a personal vehicle is beyond me."
 
Really...? You really don't see the connection? Let me know if you REALLY need me to explain it to you - but I think you are smart enough to see the connection. Try real hard.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 02, 2008 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 11:18 am)

If you think it's an easy job to track down the source of the contamination, start a private company and find it. You know it's not EASY. Not everything is as simple as picking up the phone.
 
They had good reasons for blaming the tomatoes at the time they blamed them.
 
The tomato industry is not "devastated" either, Gary. I have been in Texas and in AZ in the last two weeks and every grocery store I went to had tomatoes of every kind at the same prices they were at on May 20th.
 
Don't get all melodramatic on us dude !!
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Re: Diesel edumacation has a way to go [larsb] by winter2
Jul 02, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 02, 2008 10:33 am)

What the article does not point is the fact that diesel powered cars have only been minimally available for a good number of years. I cannot recall VW ever advertising their diesels and when Chrysler put a diesel in the Liberty, they advertised it near the end of it's run in 2006. Even though the Jeep Grand Cherokee has a diesel option, I have yet to see or hear a single advertisement for the diesel option. Only those people aware enough know what is available.
 
Hybrids have had a lot of press in the past few years and have been hyped to kingdom come, thus the interest in them. People are generally unwilling to try something radically different like a diesel whereas the present flock of hybrids still use gasoline, something people are comfortable with. What has not been put out there is the complexity and long term costs associated with most hybrids and the fact that they do not deliver the FE they claim.
 
Diesels on the other hand are still viewed as crude, slow, noisy and in some way lacking sophistication. Anyone who has had the opportunity to own and/or drive the new generation of diesels know them to be powerful, clean and smooth, and nothing like the diesels from the eighties. If and when the automakers decide to advertise there diesel offerings with as much gusto as the hybrid people have, then nothing will happen. Another issue is that the price of diesel fuel is going to be a turn off to most buyers unless someone is willing to do the math and show people that diesel is still significantly cheaper to run per mile.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [gagrice] by winter2
Jul 02, 2008 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 11:03 am)

Why is our government blocking alternative energy like solar, biofuel, etc? One important answer is that EPA is run by a political appointee who totes the administration's line and has been probably been bought by the special interests who do not want to see the newer technologies take hold.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [winter2] by larsb
Jul 02, 2008 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: winter2 (Jul 02, 2008 2:55 pm)

Politics play very little part of the EPA's decisions. Bill Clinton's EPA did no better with diesels, did they?
 
The EPA protects Americans from dangerous air and water. There is no Conservative or Liberal way to accomplish that.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [gagrice] by winter2
Jul 02, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2008 11:32 am)

As far as I know all on-road diesel is now ULSD and municipalities must use it. I have yet to find a diesel station here in Montgomery County Maryland that sells LSD (500 PPM). Everyone I have been to, even just to look has ULSD.
 
Modern diesels still produce some PM, even when they use ULSD or biodiesel, thus the filters on the exhaust systems. If the refiners were required to remove more of the aromatic compounds found in diesel fuel, then particulate levels would drop significantly.
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Re: USE an alternative fuel...become a federal felon... [larsb] by winter2
Jul 02, 2008 (3:18 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 02, 2008 2:59 pm)

Politics has more of a part than you think. The EPA has their fingers into more things than you think.

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