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Replying to: kcram (Jun 28, 2008 5:19 pm) I will give you that to a point. I will give you a 50% drop is the average suburb guy buying a full size pick-up. He goes from a F-150 to a Ranger. Let’s put a 2.5L or a 3.0L diesel in a Ranger. I know you can get 35 + MPG out of that. Still plenty of power and good MPG. And it won’t be rocket science either, they are all over the world except…..yep, you guessed right, the USA.
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Replying to: brakvica (Jun 28, 2008 10:56 am) So at 4.91 D2 and 4.53 RUG /29/40, 26/40 = D2 range per mile driven of 16.9 cents-12.3 cents RUG range per mile driven of 17.4 cents-13.3 cents or 2.88% to 7.5% MORE. I am ok with others paying more! No issues with the Mexican built Jetta after 108,000 miles. Of course both are in a longer mileage race to a min of 450,000 miles and hopefully to 1,000,000 miles. |
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 28, 2008 5:19 pm)  25 mpg would literally be a 36% increase!! So if the goal is to DECREASE fuel consumption, this would be a HUGE step in the right direction, unless of course the real goal is to get P/U trucks, etc, etc, OFF the roads. My take is there will always be a core of folks who will have those needs/wants and will pay the freight accordingly. Indeed the SUV population is 12% and probably shrinking- clearly a minority position getting... SMALLER!! If I had need/want for one to more of those segments, 36% better mpg would be an absolute NO brainer. Those that do not want to buy diesel can and do buy gasser. All they have to do is offer good (diesel) products folks want to buy. Diesels longevity, better drive ability etc would be added advantages. Diesel p/u, suv's, minivans, etc trucks would literally revolutionize these segments. Perhaps that is one strong reason why the logistics system is resisting the change to D2.
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Replying to: brakvica (Jun 28, 2008 10:56 am) I buy my diesel at several different places and the price disparity between RUG and D#2 is less than 15%. In looking at the EPA website showing fuel economy for various vehicles, I compared my 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD to the 2005 Jeep Liberty with the 3.7 L V-6. Overall 23.8 for the CRD versus 14.8 for the gasser or about a 57% improvement in FE for the diesel. On long trips I regularly get 31 MPG with my CRD and back and forth to work in metro D.C. rush hour I average 23.1 MPG. My rush hour commuting FE is better than the highway FE for the V-6 gasser. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList2&make=Jeep&model=Libert- y/Cherokee%204WD |
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 28, 2008 6:08 pm) That leaves you with the "overgrown compact" trucks like Colorado/Canyon, Dakota, Frontier, Tacoma, and Ridgeline - and some of these trucks are on th bubble too, as they have grown to the point where they get mileage as bad or worse than the full-size half tons. kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 29, 2008 3:43 pm) With the sudden shift to smaller vehicles, “maybe” Ford may/might rethink closing the Ranger plant as it might be just the right size. And then there is my philosophy on life. If it’s too big to fit in a Ranger, then it’s more work than I want to be a part of.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 29, 2008 10:13 am) - Chrysler 300C - Chrysler Voyager (aka Dodge Caravan) - Dodge Avenger - Dodge Caliber - Dodge Journey - Jeep Grand Cherokee - Jeep Cherokee (aka Liberty) - Jeep Compass - Jeep Patriot The 300 and Grand Cher have the Benz 3.0L V6 diesel, the others run the 2.0L 4-cylinder. A couple from England, with a diesel Patriot and diesel Compass, drove from England through the Chunnel and 5 other countries to set an SUV record of over 66 miles per gallon, going from London to Berlin "on the fly" - both Jeeps making the trip on a single tank. Even with the diesel price premium, Chrysler would sell every US-spec diesel Patriot/Compass (and Caliber, same platform) they could screw together using that story in their marketing. A documented 66+ mpg compared to the EPA rating of 23/28 for the gasoline version? Who wouldn't go for that? kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 29, 2008 4:11 pm) Most of the American public has a problem. They see the cost of diesel fuel being higher than that of gasoline and they stop there never bothering to investigate further. Most never bother to do the math showing them that the cost per mile for diesel is significantly less than that for a gasser. I have had numerous discussions with people and they cannot see past the price difference even when you show that diesel is still cheaper to run. If said diesel powered Compass or Caliber were to come to the United States, my wife would be in one tomorrow. I will continue with my Jeep Liberty CRD. Considering sixty-six miles per gallon, who would need a Prius?
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Replying to: winter2 (Jun 29, 2008 5:13 pm) Yes. Yes, they do. And here we are. I drove diesel vehicles in Europe seven years ago that aren't here yet, but got 40+ mpg. For whatever reason, California & a few other uber-green states have made the U.S. the diesel car industry what it is today. Enjoy. |
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 29, 2008 4:05 pm) http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-ranger-escapes-axe-thanks-to-high-gas-prices.ht- ml
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