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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [jkinzel]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 27, 2008 5:51 am)
The should pull the same (bankruptcy) gig the air lines have been doing for at least a decade.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [ruking1]
by jkinzel
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Jun 27, 2008 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2008 5:54 am)
The should pull the same (bankruptcy) gig the air lines have been doing for at least a decade.
Give it time, I'm sure they are working on a plan 
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [jkinzel]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 27, 2008 6:01 am)
In the interest of full disclosure, I take the Hogan's Hero's character position: ... "I know NOTHING.!!!" 
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [ruking1]
by roland3
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Jun 27, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2008 5:48 am)
... All-right, we all want clean air and the reg bodies are trying to balance NoX regs with total carbon output; I just disagree with the fact that they don't seem to realize what the vehicle manufacturers have to do to the cars and trucks and how the add-ons will be five years down the road, but I think the UN-availiabilty of vehicles that can and will get near or well into the fifty MPG range is a total disgrace and it's my opinion that the reg bodies are responsible for this.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [roland3]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 27, 2008 2:15 pm)
I would agree with you, with one minor caveat, I think they do REALIZE- which is the reason why they make them do it!!! They also realize that for literally ANY population they care to let passenger diesels expand to (say 12% as 5/10/15 year targets) they can not make the statistical correlation that whatever emissions D2 does put out will be MORE than a like populations of diesels. They have not been able to make the case for the 12% SUV population, and they have not been able to make the opposite correlation for the hybrid population.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [yesdiesel1]
by kcram HOST
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Jun 27, 2008 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm)
The Cummins light duty diesel will be ready for the 2010 model year in the Ram 1500, and it will be 50-state legal. Automotive News stated this week it will be the 4.2L V6 version instead of the 5.6L V8... still more than adequate with preliminary ratings of 270 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque (more than the revised Hemi at 407).
Tested a couple of years ago in a Dodge Durango, the V6 turbodiesel averaged 20 mpg city and 25 highway.
kcram - Pickups Host
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [kcram]
by highmiler650
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Jun 27, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 27, 2008 3:25 pm)
Nothing to write home about.
We need average MPG in the 30's.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [highmiler650]
by jkinzel
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Jun 27, 2008 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: highmiler650 (Jun 27, 2008 4:39 pm)
I agree, this is still not good enough. How about a 3L to 3.5L V6 That should provide all the HP anyone using a ½ ton pick-up should need and may give you 30 to 35 MPG hwy.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [ruking1]
by roland3
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Jun 28, 2008 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2008 3:20 pm)
... Well the reg bodies don't appear to REALIZE that EGR causes: increased soot, increased engine wear, increased GHG, increased initial cost, increased maintenance cost, increased fuel consumption, decreased oil change interval, increased vehicle weight, and they also don't seem to realize the great advances in fuel injection, turbocharging, engine weight, particulate traps, and even their own ULSD fuel, but keep adding regs that are long passed the point of diminishing returns, and don't even make the general public consider (with incentives) (like trading a little NOx for a bunch of carbon) the very low carbon footprint, smaller, four cylinder, Diesel, sedans, that are not availiable because of the regs.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [jkinzel]
by gagrice
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Jun 28, 2008 (4:46 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 27, 2008 7:44 pm)
How about a 3L to 3.5L V6 That should provide all the HP anyone using a ½ ton pick-up should need and may give you 30 to 35 MPG hwy.
The 5 cylinder diesel in my Mercedes Sprinter was a great engine. It pulled that 8500 lb RV around up and down hills with ease. It was also rated to tow 5k lbs. If they put that engine in a regular van or 1/2 ton PU it should get 35 MPG out on the highway. It is the mentality in the auto industry that we either have to have a vehicle that is fast or we are going to tow a 10,000 lb trailer. Most people just need to haul a few cement blocks, bags of concrete and sheets of plywood.
The new Sprinter has the V6 Mercedes diesel and the mileage dropped from 25 MPG to under 20 MPG. We sure are making progress in this country. It will be interesting when the CAFE mandates run up against the EPA/CARB wall of worthless regulations.
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