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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [yesdiesel1]
by roland3
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Jun 27, 2008 (2:53 am)
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm)
... I think the tailpipe would pass anywhere with the urea after-tratment, and a particulate trap, but the infrastructure for the urea is not ready. I am still on the fence about the after-treatment, as the ability of the reg bureaucrats to see the big picture, especially in cost and long term maintenance, is a known failure. They are only recently paying attention to GHG and the current USA regs gives NO distinction betwixt 80 horsepower and 370 HP. You see the NoX is visible and the carbon is not and they have hinged their whole careers on the visible.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [roland3]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 27, 2008 2:53 am)
Another example of that is the gm/mile measurements are prominiently displayed for most to ALL European new cars (in Europe) . In the US you have to dig deep almost like looking for a needle in a haystack to find those figures. Indeed there is no statistical correlation between our segments. They really might not do full disclosure for it will show the inconvenient truths that more consumption is not as good as less consumption, even as all the laws rules and regulations favor MORE consumption.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [yesdiesel1]
by jkinzel
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Jun 27, 2008 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm)
You say they could not sell it in Calf and some north east states, SO WHAT. Screw them give the rest of the country what they need and quit worrying about Calf.
Thank you. I have been saying that all along. If the big three are so affraid they can't make a profit witout CA, NY, MA, etc. then they need to change there business model or just let those states deal with the gas ver.
Oh, wait, they are not making a profit now.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [jkinzel]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 27, 2008 5:51 am)
The should pull the same (bankruptcy) gig the air lines have been doing for at least a decade.
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- #6195 of 8143
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [ruking1]
by jkinzel
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Jun 27, 2008 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2008 5:54 am)
The should pull the same (bankruptcy) gig the air lines have been doing for at least a decade.
Give it time, I'm sure they are working on a plan 
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [jkinzel]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 27, 2008 6:01 am)
In the interest of full disclosure, I take the Hogan's Hero's character position: ... "I know NOTHING.!!!" 
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [ruking1]
by roland3
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Jun 27, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2008 5:48 am)
... All-right, we all want clean air and the reg bodies are trying to balance NoX regs with total carbon output; I just disagree with the fact that they don't seem to realize what the vehicle manufacturers have to do to the cars and trucks and how the add-ons will be five years down the road, but I think the UN-availiabilty of vehicles that can and will get near or well into the fifty MPG range is a total disgrace and it's my opinion that the reg bodies are responsible for this.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [roland3]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 27, 2008 2:15 pm)
I would agree with you, with one minor caveat, I think they do REALIZE- which is the reason why they make them do it!!! They also realize that for literally ANY population they care to let passenger diesels expand to (say 12% as 5/10/15 year targets) they can not make the statistical correlation that whatever emissions D2 does put out will be MORE than a like populations of diesels. They have not been able to make the case for the 12% SUV population, and they have not been able to make the opposite correlation for the hybrid population.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [yesdiesel1]
by kcram HOST
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Jun 27, 2008 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm)
The Cummins light duty diesel will be ready for the 2010 model year in the Ram 1500, and it will be 50-state legal. Automotive News stated this week it will be the 4.2L V6 version instead of the 5.6L V8... still more than adequate with preliminary ratings of 270 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque (more than the revised Hemi at 407).
Tested a couple of years ago in a Dodge Durango, the V6 turbodiesel averaged 20 mpg city and 25 highway.
kcram - Pickups Host
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [kcram]
by highmiler650
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Jun 27, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 27, 2008 3:25 pm)
Nothing to write home about.
We need average MPG in the 30's.
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