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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [gagrice]
by alltorque
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Jun 24, 2008 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2008 4:42 am)
And, of course, with Porsche. VW. AUDI, SKODA, SEAT all now being, effectively the same company Porsche don't have to start from scratch - just raid the parts bin and play.
Good move.
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [alltorque]
by ruking1
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Jun 24, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jun 24, 2008 6:41 am)
With the success of Audi diesels, I think it is just a matter of time before Porsche will decide to come to market with a sports car, twin turbo diesel. The neat thing is if they decide to do this, they will probably test it in Europe first.
I think if GM really wants to knock the cover off the baseball (almost literally) in crushing another home run; they will give or support the assignment to Chevrolet Corvette to come up with a twin turbo diesel (Corvette) sports car!! This would be a high speed LONG distance tourer PAR Excellence!!
I would cite what Corvette did with a poorly selling "hard top" entry level Corvette, which has morfed into one of GM's quintessential (-my take but I might be WRONG) success stories...the Z06 Corvette.
Both of course would face EXTREME resistance from the ( each brands') faithful. My take is the good news if they do not like it, don't buy it. Next, it is not likely for any of those faithful to drive their current selections off a cliff. Lastly it would definitely increase each brand's reach.
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [alltorque]
by gagrice
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Jun 24, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jun 24, 2008 6:41 am)
If Porsche follows through with the V6 Cayenne TDI it will be a winner. I am still not sure why VW decided to test the waters with that huge V10 TDI. Unless they wanted to get the weight over the point of being restricted in the CARB states. The Touareg V10 TDI was able to compete with the only other diesel SUV at the time in CA, the Excursion. Both in my opinion were overkill and not what the market really wants. Sadly that is the way our laws are written. Big or nothing.
Now that the V6 TDI is approved for 50 state sale I wonder if it will also show up in the Touareg and Tiguan. Or maybe the very good looking VW mini vans. We can hope we get something soon.
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [gagrice]
by ruking1
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Jun 24, 2008 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2008 8:12 am)
The principle of 20-40% better mpg will only complement the multitude of reasons why folks buy bigger (gassers) vehicles; mini vans being one example.
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [gagrice]
by shipo
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Jun 24, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2008 8:12 am)
A TDI Rouan huh? Now wouldn't that be interesting.
Hmmm, let's see here, a Canadian built Chrysler Town & Country minivan with a VW logo and VW interior, and sporting an engine that was designed and built by Audi, an engine that also happens to be used in the Porsche Cayenne. I'm thinking that I'd be more than happy to buy one if/when we decide to replace one of our two minivans (both six figures showing on the odometer) with yet another minivan. 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [shipo]
by gagrice
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Jun 24, 2008 (3:42 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 24, 2008 3:15 pm)
Yes I learned that after posting the picture. Strange bedfelllows. Though I think that is common practice in the EU. Probably an alliance forged prior to MB selling off Chrysler. The article I read seemed to think a diesel version was off a ways in the future, sadly.
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Re: Upcoming Porsche Cayenne diesel to be a V6 [gagrice]
by bpeebles
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Jun 24, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 24, 2008 3:42 pm)
Probably an alliance forged prior to MB selling off Chrysler.
This "alliance" goes back a lot furthher than you may think. The Dodge Omnis back in the 1980s had a VW engine. (minus the fuel-injection that VW used in their vehicles of that vintage.)
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [roland3]
by yesdiesel1
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Jun 26, 2008 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 23, 2008 8:08 pm)
Speaking of CARB Cool Aid this is what the OEM's are drinking and in huge amounts.
I just read in Auto news that Dodge has tweaked the valve timing, air induction and other things and they are going to have a Ram Pick up that is a whopping 4 % better fuel economy!
WHAT are the nuts??? A 3L or 3.5L Diesel with BluTech technology would give them 40% better fuel economy.
You say they could not sell it in Calf and some north east states, SO WHAT. Screw them give the rest of the country what they need and quit worrying about Calf.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [yesdiesel1]
by roland3
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Jun 27, 2008 (2:53 am)
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Replying to: yesdiesel1 (Jun 26, 2008 7:00 pm)
... I think the tailpipe would pass anywhere with the urea after-tratment, and a particulate trap, but the infrastructure for the urea is not ready. I am still on the fence about the after-treatment, as the ability of the reg bureaucrats to see the big picture, especially in cost and long term maintenance, is a known failure. They are only recently paying attention to GHG and the current USA regs gives NO distinction betwixt 80 horsepower and 370 HP. You see the NoX is visible and the carbon is not and they have hinged their whole careers on the visible.
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Re: ... Are We all Drinking CARB Cool-Aid ??? [roland3]
by ruking1
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Jun 27, 2008 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: roland3 (Jun 27, 2008 2:53 am)
Another example of that is the gm/mile measurements are prominiently displayed for most to ALL European new cars (in Europe) . In the US you have to dig deep almost like looking for a needle in a haystack to find those figures. Indeed there is no statistical correlation between our segments. They really might not do full disclosure for it will show the inconvenient truths that more consumption is not as good as less consumption, even as all the laws rules and regulations favor MORE consumption.
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